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Do any of you own a skidsteer? If so, school me on these things. I've been using a 4x4 tractor on our property but due to the slope, rocky terrain and tight areas, I think a skidsteer would be more beneficial, particularly with tracks, for the winter. I'm thinking that tracks would fair better for snow removal since these things tend to have lower clearance and snow clearing would be easier with tracks by moving on top of the snow. Something with a backhoe, snow blade and fork attachment would suite me nicely. Hey, one can dream, can't they?

My needs are the usual - dirt moving, giant rock uncovering/moving, slope adjustments/leveling, make new two tracks, use the fork attachment to move heavy items, give the kid something to do, you know, the usual.

I see lots of Bobcat 763 and Gehls in my neck of the woods, price range $5k-$14k. What years are good, what to avoid, what is considered high hour meter vs normal, etc.

Anyway, let me hear some thoughts on this.
 
I've got a Bobcat 630 - late 1970s vintage. Bought it when I was building my workshop with the intent to sell it again when the project was finished. They hold their value, so I figured even if I sold it for a few hundred less I'd still save a bunch on rental fees. It has been so useful that it is still here fourteen years later...

Most of what I've heard regarding the tracked loaders is that they don't do as well in snow as the wheeled loaders. The greater contact patch just doesn't give you the same traction when pushing snow. As you say, they float over the snow rather than chewing down through it. Conversely, they will give you better stability in soft ground conditions.

Watch the slopes with a skidloader. Probably better than a tractor because the center of gravity is lower, but you can get yourself into trouble rolling it forward if you try to dump a bucket load down a slope or lift it too high while traveling. Also, not sure how old your kid is, but make sure he is responsible and understands the operating procedures. I've known of a few grown men killed by them. A semi-common fatality is getting out of the cab with the arms lifted and having them come down for some reason and crush the person.

I've got a 4:1 bucket, snow bucket, and a set of pallet forks for it. Certainly comes in handy for the tasks you've mentioned. Personally, I'm a fan of the Bobcats. I like the hand and foot controls. For me, it is easier to do multiple operations at once with them - move, turn, lift, dump, etc. IIRC, the Gehls are all hand control. Never got adept with that setup. The newer models seem to be going to full joystick control - one side for movement, the other side for the lift arms and bucket. More a matter of trying them out and seeing what feels comfortable for you.

I've been pretty lucky with my skidloader. Other than regular maintenance - fluids, filters, plugs, wires, etc - I've replaced a couple hydraulic lines, rebuilt the carb, and that has been about it. It isn't much to look at, but it keeps plugging away. Conversely, I picked up a Bobcat X320 mini-ex (mid 1990s vintage) the other year for a decent price. I knew it needed some work, but so far I've replaced nearly all of the hydraulic lines and rebuilt a couple hydraulic cylinders. I'm also dealing with some hacked wiring the PO screwed up. I still got a good price on it - several thousand less than what I've seen others going for - but have about $1500 into it in parts and hours of time.

Depending on how much you plan to use the backhoe, take a look at the mini-excavators. Being able to swing 360° and travel makes quite a difference in a lot of projects. I've found the "cat's paw" attachments to be pretty much useless except for the most minor trenching/digging operations. You have to move the whole loader around entirely too much while trying to dig. The ones that swing side to side are a modest improvement, but I still see them all as for someone like a landscaper who does 90% of his work with the loader and only occasionally needs to trench or dig a hole. The full backhoe attachments are better, but have the same issues as a tractor-loader-backhoe (TLB) as far as maneuverability goes.

Like with our Toyotas, first recommendation is to pick up the service and parts manuals. The parts manuals are worth it just for the exploded diagrams. Gives you a pretty clear idea of what you're tearing apart. As you reach the bottom of your price range, I'd want to be comfortable working on it myself. Labor rates at the local dealer can be spendy. At the upper end of your price range, I'd expect to get a pretty clean machine that didn't need much. A lot of people consider the Bobcat 76x and 77x models to be the best Bobcat ever made.

Hope that answers a few questions and feel free to ask more.
 
Wow, thanks a lot for the writeup, it paints a nice picture for us Newbies. I'm going to have to rely on others when the time comes for the actual purchase since my knowledge is about non-existent in this arena. I'll keep perusing sites to get more knowledgeable on skid-steers. I have driven them couple of times for small jobs but not enough to know what I like or dislike. Since I'm not from the gaming/joy stick generation, I guess hand/feet control will do me just fine vs all in one joystick control, LOL!!
 
The other tradeoff is that the older models are likely going to need some work - but are also easier to work on. With the newer ones, you're getting into computer controlled stuff and things like that. I'm afraid to ask what all the emissions stuff on the brand new ones is like to work on.

Check around at the local rental yards to see what brands they have available. If you've never run one, it would be worth it to rent one or two different ones just to get a feel for them. You'll also be able to test one out if you're looking to buy used, but they generally don't like a lot of tire kickers.

If you see a larger equipment auction in the area, go to it. Pay attention to what others are saying about them. Also, there is usually opportunity for some limited testing of the equipment. Start out watching others, but don't be afraid to give something a try. Remember - slow, careful, controlled movements at first! :)
 
I have a skidsteer with a Bradco 609 backhoe, steel tracks, and forks. The tracks are nice for soft ground. I use chains on all 4 tires for snow. They work very well but will mark up concrete if you have a paved driveway to do. Without the chains when the tires slip/spin they turn the snow in to a sheet of ice.
Skidsteers can also come with different hydraulic outputs. The attachments you may get later, like a backhoe, may be limited by the hydraulics GPM and pressure. Just something to keep in mind.
These little machines are easy to learn to operate but are pretty unstable. I've had to set a couple of them back up on their wheels when I was on the same job and had larger machines. I've also seen them dump dirt back on the operator lol.
Fwiw, Bobcat USA was acquired in 2007 by a South Korean company, Doosan, formally Daewoo.
 
I have a CAT 287B - it's pretty big. Those tracks are immensely useful in the snow, although since I also have a 9' V-plow on one of the pickups, the two of those share the snow removal duty - I maintain about 1/2 a mile of roads on the compound. I'd tried a wheeled skiddy before buying this and definitely cannot recommend them for winter work, although they are obviously cheaper, most especially when it comes time to replace the tracks:mad:

The only attachments I have are the standard bucket - 1 yd???? - and some forks for which I also have extenders. You learn pretty quickly that fork extenders do NOT increase the amount of stuff you can carry, even in a heavy skiddy like the 287. But they are great for awkward light loads, or for getting something over into that corner there, etc. Not much use for a posthole digger in this glacial boulder field we live on but if I lived on somewhere that had something resembling even fainlty that stuff they call "dirt" it might come in handy. I also have a small excavator (CAT 305), so that takes the place (and then some, in spades) of any backhoe ever made.

The CAT is a fine machine. And one of these years I might even find out why its heater doesn't work. I come back from 2 hours moving snow in it and it takes me the rest of the month to thaw out my feet.
 
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I've run quite a few.
Don't like the foot controls.
Prefer the joysticks like the JCB or Cat.
The tracked Cat i ran was an absolute dreamboat. You can move objects across not so stable level terrain like on a cloud. Not sure i would wan't to have to replace a damaged track though. And one would have to make sure nothing gets lodged into them like a log.
The tired machines are bouncy as hell but in the long run easier and cheaper to maintain for a home owner i would wager.
I would love to have one with a snow blower attachment.
 

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