Shotts 100 Vs. Locked G55

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HAAAA..i wanted to see what kind of conversation this would spark. Who's do you think would win in all aspects of driving? onroad and off. and to be generous we can use a g500 if its helps....the amg would just murder anything.
basically this all kinda goes back to the locked solid axle vs. IFS with TRAC...cant wait to hear some responses.
 
In Shotts' defense, a lot of his "vehicle A" vs. "vehicle B" comparisons have come from actual, real life experiences. Saying that, I'm not sure if he's ever wheeled with a G.

In on road power and exceleration, though, there's little doubt the G would win. That's all I know. You can find actual numbers on that on the web, if you want.

The G is also narrow and small enough to be a good wheeler, although most are equipped with s***ty break-over angle limiting running boards from the factory, and as such sit lower than a stock 100 series.

But it's all a moot point (if the point you are trying to make is the viability of a SFA luxo-ute in the USA) because Mercedes isn't going to sell them in the US anymore due to slow sales. There will be a Mercedes 'G' class, but they'll basically be a big 'M' class.
 
I'm confused? :confused:

The threads title shows LOCKED on the G500 (but not on my 100). Then, in the post it mentions TRAC with my 100? My 100 is locked F&R. Shouldn't it be:

SHOTTS' LOCKED 100 vs LOCKED G500

(or....SHOTTS' IFS 100 vs SFA G500)( :D )
 
Cruiserhead05 said:
shotts, just curious...hope you dont mind me asking...what do you do?

Don't mind at all. I sell A/V gear to schools and government agencies.

Makes sense huh? You know....since I'm always trying to talk (selling) people into a 100? :)
 
This is a cool "match-up" idea IMO. Stock locked (with ARB's) 100 and stock locked G would be a pretty fair fight on the trail IMHO. They are both vehicles we could all be proud of owning :) I do favor the "expedition style" of the G, but 30 year old styling isn't for everyone. I am the kind of guy who would gladly pay 30k for a new BJ75 crew... (In a heart beat!)

I really want a g-wagon in the fall or early spring, so maybe we can have a shoot-out afterall. Except John will have to pull the 35's off ;)

Then again, I might end up with a GX470 instead, which is another sweet rig and would be fun to drive in a "shoot-out" too!
 
expeditionswest said:
This is a cool "match-up" idea IMO. Stock locked (with ARB's) 100 and stock locked G would be a pretty fair fight on the trail IMHO. They are both vehicles we could all be proud of owning :) I do favor the "expedition style" of the G, but 30 year old styling isn't for everyone. I am the kind of guy who would gladly pay 30k for a new BJ75 crew... (In a heart beat!)

I really want a g-wagon in the fall or early spring, so maybe we can have a shoot-out afterall. Except John will have to pull the 35's off ;)

Then again, I might end up with a GX470 instead, which is another sweet rig and would be fun to drive in a "shoot-out" too!

So whatcha think Scott? MY 100 (not stock) vs a locked G (like the post said)?

Take all the hard lines at:

Chiva Falls
C Gap
Martinez Canyon (forget that V-crack you went up in the Jeep! :mad: )
Etc.

Whatcha think?
 
Typical shotts, you are comparing apples to rotten apples in this post and the rotten apple of course is the 100 with the larger tires etc you have on it.

I think the only place where the 100 would have a small advantage is offcamber stuff. Other than that the G would win out.

It's ok Shotts, at least even Toyota has coined you the "100 zealot". :rolleyes:
 
Junk said:
Typical shotts, you are comparing apples to rotten apples in this post and the rotten apple of course is the 100 with the larger tires etc you have on it.

I think the only place where the 100 would have a small advantage is offcamber stuff. Other than that the G would win out.

It's ok Shotts, at least even Toyota has coined you the "100 zealot". :rolleyes:

I haven't and won't post opinions on this thread. :)


I was very curious why the comparison was between MY 100 (rather than a stock 100) and a G500? My 100 has a HUGE advantage over a stock 100.

:confused: :confused:
 
Naw, your's has a huge disadvantage over stock. Your's has YOU driving it :flipoff2:

Just continuing to give you grief dude.

Zealot dude <- your new screen name :D
 
Can the G take this kind of abuse? (hilux video) This is the same mini as what was sold in N.A. until 1985 (SFA, diesel, leaf springs, gear-drive t-case). Pretty amazing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/downloads/
 
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Josh83 said:
Probobly. The German army uses G wagons. I think they are bad ass, if they had Toyota reliability they would be awesome.

Reliability of the G is fine. It was designed back when Mercedes built things to last. Also, three locking diffs is not an option, but STANDARD EQUIPMENT. I'm sorry, but even a stock G, with maybe bigger tires, will walk all over John's loaded UZJ. No offense John! ;)

I've seen G's wheel, and short of a UNIMOG, a locked up Defender, a locked up Patrol, or a locked up 80, there is nothing in general production that can beat it off-pavement.

Also, our very own U.S. Marine Corps uses G-Wagons, and not just any Marines. The G (albeit a turbo diesel version) is the new Fast Attack Vehicle for USMC Force Reconaissance (equivalent to Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces, Air Force PJs, etc.). They had all kinds of problems with their Chenowth dune buggies.
 
This thread is completely hypothetical without pictures:) Does anyone even have a picture of a friggin Mercedes that is rock crawling, off roading, etc.?


<They had all kinds of problems with their Chenowth dune buggies.>

Like what? No AC, no doors, no stereo, crappy ride and air cooled vw motor? Well yes, if the MC gives you a blank check book, then buy something better than a sand rail!
 
There's alot more Tacoma's and LC100's running around in the middle east supporting our guys than there are G wagons. I've been told that the Taco is very popular with US black ops in Afghanistan. I couldn't find any comparisons of the G55 but did find a shootout that included the g500.

Also here is an excerpt from the 2003 shootout between the H2, G500, LX470, Navigator and Escalade.
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We took the LX 470 on some challenging off-road trails during our trip to Hungry Valley, and even over severe bumps and ruts, it retained its compliant, forgiving ride quality. Such manners were remarkable next to the G500, which despite its supreme capability never failed to give occupants a good bouncing around, its chassis flexing over every undulation. Several editors said they would choose the LX 470 over the G500 (and H2) as an off-road companion because of its easygoing nature. While the Lexus doesn't have a rear locking differential, it does allow you to access its low-range gearing without locking the center differential. Further, it comes with Adjustable Height Control (AHC), which slightly improves the approach and departure angles when activated. Finally, it offered a very low first gear in 4WD Low — something we found very useful on steep descents — and its Dunlop tires worked well on the pavement and in the dirt.

Very few SUVs are as multitalented as the LX 470. If you buy one, you won't be disappointed, especially if you're among the small percentage of buyers who really do enjoy going off-roading. The one thing the LX doesn't tend to inspire in its driver is excitement — and that, along with its hefty price, led to its second-place finish. Nevertheless, we respect its capabilities more than ever.

Second Opinions:

Road Test Editor John DiPietro says:
One might think, after experiencing its refined manners on pavement, that the Lexus isn't tough enough to handle off-road terrain. Au contraire. Much like a natural athlete who quietly goes about trouncing louder, more obnoxious rivals, the LX 470 climbed, descended and scrabbled through challenging sections of the off-road portion of this test with ease. Never was there heard an unseemly clunk or felt an uneasy shakiness as the Lexus handled the terrain confidently.

Although it's into the sixth model year of this generation, the LX 470 still has it over its more recently revamped rivals. Even though its V8 is rated at the lowest output in this group, mated to a silken and responsive automatic, it furnishes brisk performance and remains virtually silent and free of vibration no matter what. A ride more like a luxury sedan than a truck and reassuring handling complete the dynamic package. The nicest cabin in the class is the frosting on this delectable piece of cake.

Beautifully crafted inside and out, comfortable and capable on- or off-road and with a size that's manageable in terms of parking and getting through traffic, the LX 470 would be my top pick here.

Senior Road Test Editor Ed Hellwig says:
Until this test, I had spent little time behind the wheel of Lexus' flagship SUV. All the previous reports were good, so I went in expecting a lot. After putting the vehicle through its paces, I wasn't the least bit disappointed. The suspension is phenomenal on- or off-road, with enough comfort on the street and articulation in the dirt to give it excellent performance in either situation. Of all the vehicles in the test, this is the one I would want to use to tackle an imposing off-road trail. There's no doubt that the engine could use some more horsepower, especially when it's loaded down with people and cargo, but in everyday driving its refinement almost makes up for its lack of grunt. Even more impressive was the LX's interior. The wood is gorgeous, the seats are comfortable and the fit and finish is nearly perfect. Add in the best audio and navigation systems of the five and it's easy to see why it continually lands at the top of our lists. It may not garner much attention on the street or have the power to outrun its competitors, but if I were looking for a luxury SUV that would rarely disappoint no matter what I wanted to do, the Lexus is the one I would pick hands down.
 
Actually, yes, every year I get a chance to wheel with a dude that has an 85. That thing really takes the abuse. Now it is an 85, not a 2003 or 2005, but these things things wheel great.
 
calamaridog said:
This thread is completely hypothetical without pictures:) Does anyone even have a picture of a friggin Mercedes that is rock crawling, off roading, etc.?


<They had all kinds of problems with their Chenowth dune buggies.>

Like what? No AC, no doors, no stereo, crappy ride and air cooled vw motor? Well yes, if the MC gives you a blank check book, then buy something better than a sand rail!

Yes, please. Pictures? I'm trying to picture a 30-inch tired truck with 8-inches travel, having the same wheelbase, and be able to kick the butt of a modified 100 (or 80 like one said). Pictures please? I can see the above details in a 80-inch wheelbase and lighter body. Pictures anybody? :)
 

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