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My wife, 7 month old daughter, and I did the rubicon trail a couple weeks ago for rubithon. The trail was a neat experience, we were in a group run with cruisers and company, 8x 80’s and then me, the lone 200. I was surprised to see in the springs I was the only 200 for the entire event. If I had to guess it’s because people believe that the 200 doesn’t belong on that trail. Happy to report that other than a couple dumb things I did myself and one mechanical failure which I couldn’t control, my lx570 did fine. I say that and I did wreck a driveshaft, bent a trailing arm, and did a cv but the cv was expected.

Damage:
- No body damage was added during this trip.
- Blew apart a CV. I say blew apart because it exploded sending the ball bearings flying, also didn’t break at the shaft like I’ve seen in the past.
- Bent a trailing which I think took place during a hard winch pull when I was hung up. This pull is also what lead to my mechanical failure of my winch.
- My comeup winch broke during this trip, second one I’ve gone through at this point in 5 years. Pretty hard pull and after about 30-60 seconds of pulling it stalled the vehicle. Never experienced this before, usually this and the first comeup I had just work. After testing a bunch of things it was determined by myself and comeup that a gear is likely what failed internally, binding the winch up. I say likely because I’m still hunting for the culprit gear.
- Dented my driveshaft in a good amount and also sheared the zirk fitting off. In a moment of shear stupidity I had parked up after an obstacle directly in front of of a pretty large rock. When it was time to roll again I had forgotten entirely about said rock and drove straight over it, the rock caught the driveshaft and the forced the entire axle off the ground. Tried backing off and that lead to the rock rolling a different way shearing the zirk fitting off and also forcing the driveshaft up into my exhaust slightly pinching the exhaust. It was an expensive stupid oversight. No pictures were taken as myself and some others jacked my rig off the rock. Also drove 1000+ miles home with the dented driveshaft before replacing, honestly shocked it didn't have a bad vibration.
- Dissent rear bumper beaten up and starting to shift up into the body. The bumper and swing outs are still in place and function but I’ve definitely reached the point of using this bumper that it needs to be replaced. What dissent makes are amazing products, for 95% of the people who are overlanding and off-roading. I think that maybe I’ve reached a slightly more aggressive or severe use with my rig and aluminum and big swing outs just don’t cut it anymore. I need something minimal, steel, and likely will be cutting some stuff up in the rear to fit a different rear bumper in the future.

All in all I was expecting body damage so happy nothing new was added.

Rubithon was a really neat event which seems to be all 40’s and 80’s, throw in some mini trucks, occasional 4Runner or Ben with his lc250 on portals. Not a single 100 and just me representing the 200’s. Definitely going to make doing the rubicon and probably this event specifically a yearly thing for my family, hope next year maybe some other 200’s will join!
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Good info…interesting about the dissent bumper. As heavy as these vehicles, I think I’m leaning towards an all steel option too. We’ve done the rubicon and fordyce in Jeep, which was a blast. I’m trying to decide just how much to build up my 200. Curious what your lift and tire and wheel combo is?

Chris
 
How much of that shifting do you think was due to the bumper being cut for fitting the 37s?
You know I’m really not sure. I cut that mount as I previously posted in half that’s in the rear of the wheel well, so I lost one bolt out of that part of the mount. However this bumper has been dragged hard on a lot of rocks and some really good hits dropping off shelves for years. I’ll have to post pics next week once I’m back home of what the underside looks like and how I actually started to tear the aluminum on the back end of the bumper.
 
So awesome. Would love to do Rubicon one day. Knowing that there's an experienced group to participate with makes this more likely. Thanks for sharing all the good bad and ugly. The anticipation, challenges, and situations are all part of what makes this hobby so engaging.

Your rig seems to be well built for this challenge. What would you say is a must and makes the most difference on this trail?

I'm a big proponent of moderate offsets to keep the wheel within the wheel well for an overlanding rig, but low offsets with more poke definitely creates more defensible space to the body for obstacles along side in rock crawling. How important would you say that is?

Also curious about the CV break and whether this happened at max droop? One of the suspected vulnerabilities is getting too much angle on the CVs where they operate in a weaker zone, but also going too far where there is actual binding against in the housing. I think you have Kings and they certainly are one of the more aggressive in droop travel. Perhaps limiting downtravel or adding a diff drop could help? Or even RCVs that allow more angle?

Great pics!
 
So awesome. Would love to do Rubicon one day. Knowing that there's an experienced group to participate with makes this more likely. Thanks for sharing all the good bad and ugly. The anticipation, challenges, and situations are all part of what makes this hobby so engaging.

Your rig seems to be well built for this challenge. What would you say is a must and makes the most difference on this trail?

I'm a big proponent of moderate offsets to keep the wheel within the wheel well for an overlanding rig, but low offsets with more poke definitely creates more defensible space to the body for obstacles along side in rock crawling. How important would you say that is?

Also curious about the CV break and whether this happened at max droop? One of the suspected vulnerabilities is getting too much angle on the CVs where they operate in a weaker zone, but also going too far where there is actual binding against in the housing. I think you have Kings and they certainly are one of the more aggressive in droop travel. Perhaps limiting downtravel or adding a diff drop could help? Or even RCVs that allow more angle?

Great pics!
Thanks! Can’t take credit for any of the pics, but that’s a benefit of a group, always someone taking pictures.

Biggest tire size possible for as much clearance is probably the most important for a 200. My shock mounts and trailing arm mounts definitely got caught more than anything so as much space between the ground and those is key. Other than that armor.

The zero offset is nice to keep the body off obstacles but I’m not sure I’d say it’s necessary. I liked the wheels, the stance with zero offset was just part of what I liked the look of. Cutting the body up isn’t a big deal to me and I’d rather continue on the road of cutting to make it work how it currently sits. Sooner or later the body on the rear will be cut up and I’ll weld the inner fenders back to the body.

The cv broke while in reverse, locked up, and it was actually stuffed on a rock. It was a tight squeeze and my spotter was worried I was going to slide off my front bumper and tag the headlight with the rock. So I was working it back and forth trying to find the right spot to squeeze past the rocks on either side. Backed up one more time and just gave it a little too much.

I’ve thought about going to rcv’s however I broke my intermediate shaft a couple months ago in Moab when I launched it a little hard off a climb. When the cv didn’t let go and that broke instead it made me realize I’d rather carry a cv and swap that out quickly instead of having to remove both cv’s, take the skids off, drain the gear oil, all to replace the next weakest link. I carry an intermediate shaft in the housing since then but I hope I don’t have to replace it out in the woods.

Once stellarbuilt can figure out SAS their 200 that may be the route mine goes as well. 40’s have been calling my name! Then it’ll get trailered everywhere.
 
Thanks! Can’t take credit for any of the pics, but that’s a benefit of a group, always someone taking pictures.

Biggest tire size possible for as much clearance is probably the most important for a 200. My shock mounts and trailing arm mounts definitely got caught more than anything so as much space between the ground and those is key. Other than that armor.

The zero offset is nice to keep the body off obstacles but I’m not sure I’d say it’s necessary. I liked the wheels, the stance with zero offset was just part of what I liked the look of. Cutting the body up isn’t a big deal to me and I’d rather continue on the road of cutting to make it work how it currently sits. Sooner or later the body on the rear will be cut up and I’ll weld the inner fenders back to the body.

The cv broke while in reverse, locked up, and it was actually stuffed on a rock. It was a tight squeeze and my spotter was worried I was going to slide off my front bumper and tag the headlight with the rock. So I was working it back and forth trying to find the right spot to squeeze past the rocks on either side. Backed up one more time and just gave it a little too much.

I’ve thought about going to rcv’s however I broke my intermediate shaft a couple months ago in Moab when I launched it a little hard off a climb. When the cv didn’t let go and that broke instead it made me realize I’d rather carry a cv and swap that out quickly instead of having to remove both cv’s, take the skids off, drain the gear oil, all to replace the next weakest link. I carry an intermediate shaft in the housing since then but I hope I don’t have to replace it out in the woods.

Once stellarbuilt can figure out SAS their 200 that may be the route mine goes as well. 40’s have been calling my name! Then it’ll get trailered everywhere.

Great feedback and I appreciate all the notes.

Yes, armor is an area I don't have much of at the moment. Trying to keep as much payload capacity as possible but may get some lightweight tube armor sooner or later.

I hear you on keeping fuses where they are simpler to address on the trail. Definitely rather a CV than a internal shaft. Don't hear much about breaking but you're pushing harder than most everyone here. :steer:
 
My shock mounts and trailing arm mounts definitely got caught more than anything so as much space between the ground and those is key. Other than that armor.

Have you considered @turbo8 ‘s shock mount relocation bracket for the long travel AHC rigs? You can move your shock up a few inches and cut the bracket, keep it out of harms way. I assume you are already limiting up travel in rear so maybe no downsides and lots of benefits.
 
Have you considered @turbo8 ‘s shock mount relocation bracket for the long travel AHC rigs? You can move your shock up a few inches and cut the bracket, keep it out of harms way. I assume you are already limiting up travel in rear so maybe no downsides and lots of benefits.
It looks like @Wafflroo has deleted the AHC system and has Kings on his LX. The brackets are only meant for the stock AHC shocks.

After market inverted shocks might be too big to fit and might hit the brackets near bottom out.

Also, aftermarket reservoir shocks usually offer more droop travel and if used with the brackets might allow too much?
 
Have you considered @turbo8 ‘s shock mount relocation bracket for the long travel AHC rigs? You can move your shock up a few inches and cut the bracket, keep it out of harms way. I assume you are already limiting up travel in rear so maybe no downsides and lots of benefits.

It looks like @Wafflroo has deleted the AHC system and has Kings on his LX. The brackets are only meant for the stock AHC shocks.

After market inverted shocks might be too big to fit and might hit the brackets near bottom out.

Also, aftermarket reservoir shocks usually offer more droop travel and if used with the brackets might allow too much?
I haven’t looked at @turbo8 shock mount relocation bracket. I think I had deleted ahc before it was a thing. I follow cap10berry on ig, not sure if he’s on here. He did a shock relocation for both the frame and axle, thinking I might copy what he did.
 
It looks like @Wafflroo has deleted the AHC system and has Kings on his LX. The brackets are only meant for the stock AHC shocks.

After market inverted shocks might be too big to fit and might hit the brackets near bottom out.

Also, aftermarket reservoir shocks usually offer more droop travel and if used with the brackets might allow too much?

Was thinking less about the travel and more about getting the shock mount outta the way 👍
 

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