rear window problem and fix with pics

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So after getting my butt kicked by what I thought would be a window motor replacement, has now turned into a good learning experience that I wanted to share with the 100 series community. I searched on here briefly before posting and couldn't find anything on this and although it's probably not very common it is pretty hard to understand at home for a DIY'er with no resources. I had both alldata and mitchell on my side which helped but were still vague.

To start off I work for Performance Cruisers in Boerne, Tx (outside of San Antonio) as a mechanic/fabricator. We see all kinds of cruisers new and old. This particular truck was a 1999 100 series land cruiser. The customer came in with a complaint about the left-rear window not working. He claimed it would go down but not up and ended up having a 2x4 stuck in the door after a mechanic had told him he needed a motor and he was not interested in fixing it at the time which was a while back. Sounded plausible, I've changed countless motors and regulators in my years working on cars. So after scheduling the truck in a week later for a few other things too, I started taking apart the door to see what was up. We happened to have a donor 100 sitting outside so I robbed a motor just to confirm my suspicion. Plugged in the good motor and same thing, down but not up. Ok.....so I swapped in a switch. Same thing. Ok well it figures that when you have perfectly good testing parts at your disposal that they won't help you one bit right? Ok so I take a few steps back and start over, I check power and ground at the motor connector unplugged. power and ground signals for down, but only power when in the up position. The green wire going to the motor had no ground when in the up position, but the switch was switching the power correctly. So I move down to the switch. This again is the left rear door, the switch has 5 wires. blue-power, red/blk-ground for down, green/blk-ground for up, and the other two are yellow and green going to the motor.

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the green/blk wire is our problem here, getting nothing from this wire....zilch. Indicating a break somewhere....so I hit my resources for diagrams, found that this wire gets it's ground from the master window switch(which can be problematic) so I check there first. Pop the switch out and be careful here because the left door's green/blk wire changes to green/yellow in a junction connector behind the driver's kick panel. shown below.
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So to be clear you are looking for the green/yellow wire at the master switch.
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Here I had nothing, I checked continuity from the LR door switch to the junction connector and it was good then checked continuity from the master switch to the junction connector and of course had nothing, just double checkin there. So I begin tracing the wire which lead me to the somewhat understandable conclusion of the door harness having a break in it. At least I found it!
This pic is the wire coming out of the orange connector behind the kick panel
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and this is the wire coming out of the driver's door harness down low in the corner of the door the broken wire is the green one on the left side of the pic
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These harnesses are in a cramped position and being the driver's door they get a lot of movement in them. The harnesses travels across the door, down along side the window channel does a u turn back up to the outlet into the flexible rubber boot in between the door and the body. This includes roughly 30 wires! alot to have flexing inside a door jamb. Simply splicing these back together and routing it back through the boot fixed the issue and is good as new. Hope this helps somebody in the future!

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Ran into a similar damaged wire in the door on mine. My drivers side window would only work with the door closed. Checked wiring and found a break. Repaired it and then wrapped them all in electrical tape.
 
Great diagnostic work cwwfj60 and thanks for posting this! It seems they don't teach basic electrical troubleshooting skills anymore. I've had ground issues in a past BMW I owned and the dealer techs were lost. If they can't plug it into a computer and have it tell them what to fix, they give you the car back and tell you they don't know what's wrong.
 
Awesome write up, this was always my favorite stuff to work on at the dealer. Doesn't pay the best flag time, but more fun than swinging engines and transmissions.
 
Great diagnostic work cwwfj60 and thanks for posting this! It seems they don't teach basic electrical troubleshooting skills anymore. I've had ground issues in a past BMW I owned and the dealer techs were lost. If they can't plug it into a computer and have it tell them what to fix, they give you the car back and tell you they don't know what's wrong.

I'm glad it's appreciated! yes, the technician that schools are graduating now a days are definitely subpar(from my experience) but they do get jobs and sometimes are the only ones that get jobs at places like the BMW dealer. Now, that being said, a BMW is a whole different animal, depending on how old you go those cars can have more modules then you can imagine, and simple wiring issues turn into brain surgery due to programming issues or failures. So many cars are being built now a days with REprograms issued within a year or two to fix a program that wasn't thought out well enough in multiple situations. Very frustrating but this is where you can't avoid computers and sometimes techs get into habits with this technology and sometimes make simple problems more complex then they needed to be.

Awesome write up, this was always my favorite stuff to work on at the dealer. Doesn't pay the best flag time, but more fun than swinging engines and transmissions.

Thanks, cool to see another tech on here! electrical stuff is definitely fun....if your good at it.
 
Great writeup man! My 1999 had an unreliable rear pass window switch. Was convinced it was a switch problem but followed your diagnostic path and found the same gr/ye wire broken in the door to body harness. Spliced in a new line, and its now perfect. Much appreciated!
 
cwwfj60...I'd say if you ever tire of wrenching, you've got a definite fall-back as a top-notch technical writer.

If I still lived in Texas, I'd be beating down the door of your shop in Bernie. ;)

Nice work and an easy to understand post.

Steve...Ex-TX
 
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Thanks for bringing this to the attention of this forum - it will probably explain my problems with courtesy light in left rear door (power, but no ground) and since all switching is done in the ground path in these great cars, I have to find the problem instead of just connecting the light to common ground nearby
 
I will use the suggestion here to find a problem with my driver door courtesy switch. It was working on and off. I would open the door to get out and my lights would not go off, which usually would turn off when i opened the door. I then had to touch the courtesy switch to get them to turn off. Eventually it stopped working. I thought the switch was going bad so i bought a new one from ebay. Put it in and nothing the auto shut off on lights stopped working. So took the switch and put it in the passenger door and it works fine lights on when door opens lights off when door closes. I will trace the wire down the line to see if there is a break somewhere. Will post back.
 
I will use the suggestion here to find a problem with my driver door courtesy switch. It was working on and off. I would open the door to get out and my lights would not go off, which usually would turn off when i opened the door. I then had to touch the courtesy switch to get them to turn off. Eventually it stopped working. I thought the switch was going bad so i bought a new one from ebay. Put it in and nothing the auto shut off on lights stopped working. So took the switch and put it in the passenger door and it works fine lights on when door opens lights off when door closes. I will trace the wire down the line to see if there is a break somewhere. Will post back.

Start with the wiring harness between door and front kick panel, in the rubber conduit. That's a lot of wires bundled together that can pinch and chaff and break.
 
Did not find a break along that track, i did find a splice in the wire connection at the switch. It looks as if there was a wire attached to the switch wire. But there was nothing there now. I cut the wire at the splice and soldered it back together. Still no luck, i guess i will check the wire along the track again when it's warmer outside.

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