Re-worked Hummer rims vs Internal Beadlocks versus Traditional Beadlocks

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Curran said:
Is there a US distributor for the Secondairs?


Re read my post, i can post them to anywhere.
 
Because 37" Krawlers only come in 17"? :D

The weight of my SW double beadlocks vs. my previous Rockstomper weld on single beadlocks is marginal. 5 lbs a rim maybe?

Gumby, a grand would only get you 2.75 rims, they're $350 a rim with the rock rings and double beadlocks. Stazworks can make any rim size up to a 22" and any width imaginable all with custom center sections, and backspacing. Say if you wanted a company logo cut into the center section, he could do it.
 
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Because as you get to larger tires the sidewall becomes a problem.

Lots of wheel hop issues were solved when the larger rim sizes started to get popular..

Also, to keep overall width low on big axles you typically have to run a bigger rim to fit over the brakes..
 
HI^C said:
Why run a 17" rim?

Because they fit over big breaks and as stated above, some tires only come in 17 inch.

HI^C said:
17" rims can be found all over the OEM markets. H2 rims are like an ugly step child, everyone wants to get rid of them. and there are a crap ton of them.

Well if you buy wheels for you rig to be "pretty" then I hope they serve you well in the mall parking lot. Thank God there are a lot of them out there too because they're cheap which lets me spend more money on other things.
 
37" krawler in a 17, yep. Good to see the highest $$$$ sponser and highest $$$$ in advertising getting some money from other none sponsered rigs.

There are other tires, the whole bandwagon is just not me.

THe weight comment was directed more towards, DBs vs the alloy secondairs, just out of my curiousity. rough guess DB vs a single beadlock is going to be more towards 10 lbs or more each.

Shed say you can ship them!!!!! we really dont post (send) items we ship, lol it was confusing. i guess send would work also.

Mace i assume your commenting towards me,

larger tires sidewall? well depends how you think it is a bad to have.
wheel hop and larger rims really have nothing to do with each other. Other then same size tire on one 15 and one 17, the 15 will be able to have a larger contact patch, then the 17 rim will allow, equal to equal. So effectively the 17 yields less traction which in a way leads to less wheel hop.

the less sidewall of the 17 would give a more rigid feel, but so would using different psi in the tire on the smaller 15.

driving style and the way the rig is setup well thats different.

i was limiting discussion to 17s where 15s would fit, but 17s on 1tons are still limited to 42 iroks or 40 mtrs, which isnt enough selection to play with yet.

LC posted right before i posted
i was limiting to 17s were 15s fit, still stuck with a rim with litte tire choice for the 1 tons.

the hummer comment i made, was saying they are everywhere and they are cheap, because most people do not want them. that was it. beadlocking a set would be entertaining, hmmm no time to play with these.
 
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IIRC there was a thread on the PBB about the contact patch issue and on tires over 35 inch the contact patch didn't change.

Face it 15 inch wheels are old school. You cant even buy an American light truck with 15 inch wheels.

I think if you look companys like Toyo ,Maxxis & Pro Comp are making tires well suited for trail use.
 
HI^C said:
37" krawler in a 17, yep. Good to see the highest $$$$ sponser and highest $$$$ in advertising getting some money from other none sponsered rigs.

There are other tires, the whole bandwagon is just not me.

THe weight comment was directed more towards, DBs vs the alloy secondairs, just out of my curiousity. rough guess DB vs a single beadlock is going to be more towards 10 lbs or more each.

Shed say you can ship them!!!!! we really dont post (send) items we ship, lol it was confusing. i guess send would work also.

Mace i assume your commenting towards me,

larger tires sidewall? well depends how you think it is a bad to have.
wheel hop and larger rims really have nothing to do with each other. Other then same size tire on one 15 and one 17, the 15 will be able to have a larger contact patch, then the 17 rim will allow, equal to equal. So effectively the 17 yields less traction which in a way leads to less wheel hop.

the less sidewall of the 17 would give a more rigid feel, but so would using different psi in the tire on the smaller 15.

driving style and the way the rig is setup well thats different.

i was limiting discussion to 17s where 15s would fit, but 17s on 1tons are still limited to 42 iroks or 40 mtrs, which isnt enough selection to play with yet.

LC posted right before i posted
i was limiting to 17s were 15s fit, still stuck with a rim with litte tire choice for the 1 tons.

the hummer comment i made, was saying they are everywhere and they are cheap, because most people do not want them. that was it. beadlocking a set would be entertaining, hmmm no time to play with these.



The Krawler is an awesome tire period. If you want the best you have to pay.

Why does a DB have to weigh that much more than a SB??? on a 3K pound rig do you think that the extra 10 lbs per tire would matter??? DB are not mandatory but they are VERY nice.

When you power up a low psi tire you will wrinkle the sidewall a bit. That is lessened on a larger rim. Additionally, you will get less sidewall flex when going around corners.
There is actually a reason that people run larger rims on rockcrawlers and on sports cars.

Contact patch is not all that it is cracked up to be. If it was, why do most of the people out there like the tall skinny's??? more rigid sidewalls allow for less air in the tire and more of a contact patch forward to back than side to side..

15's fit on almost anything.
Pro comp, maxxis, swamper, BF goodrich, Goodyear, etc all make a 17" rim tire. How many choices do you want???


And the beadlock h2 rim actually looks kinda cool.
look up gohumvee.com and see what Tim is doing..
 
AGAIN nobody makes a larger then 40" tire for a 17" rim then the 40 mtrs (39") and the 42 iroks. THERE is no tire selection when you only have 1 truely over 40" tire available.

there are what 4 or 5 tires to choose from in the 38" and taller 17 rims? that is not all that much of a choice.

DB weight vs SB is just approx, figure 32 bolts, beadlock material say 2-4 lbs plastic, 5-8 rubber, then most shells are thicker materials then a normal SB weld on type. Most are also plate centers on the DB also.

The other weight thing, i do not care one bit vehicle weight, extra 500 lbs, fat ass passanger, whatever, i was just interested in rim weights with DB vs alloy and secondairs. Some of the weight watchers building the rigs for light weight might be
I guess.

LC contact patch would have to change, unless the tire was made slightly different?
15" and new trucks is true, but how many here wheel brand new trucks. Bigger brakes on a few trucks, and the exploding aftermarket on the larger rims is the only reasons the manufactures are going to larger rim sizes.
There are a few good tires in the 37" or less sizes, but for costs of both rims and tires outways the whole the joy of saying i run a 17" rim, when 15s can do it cheaper. The shear number of 15" rims will justify the tire manufactures to continue to make there tires, new tires from new manufactures will have a harder time with this size.

mace
wrinkle, you do have less sidewall wrinkle on a larger rim, you also have less flex, both of which can be contolled or changed with different air pressure in the smaller rim.

the rockcrawler and sports car have no reason to be grouped,
(sports car) you can run 15 rim and low pros with gearing, and 20s and low pros, same width and can achieve same results either way. same overall gearing, and same contact patch, same movements.

Contact patch and the rest of it, why air down then?

just for sh*ts, why do drag racers use a taller then stock tire? why do they not have 20" rims? why do they look forward to a tall sidewall wrinkling tire? i will leave tire width out of this part.


the skinny vs wide tire which is better debate i do not wish to participate in. same tire 10.5 or 12.5 wide will have the exact same sidewalls, there is no difference, now width of rims each are mounted on, will have a different effect on the air down movement you are talking about, and the wider tire will be wider in most cases.

and for extremes, why no 32" tires on 30" rims for rockcrawling yet?
 
HI^C said:
AGAIN nobody makes a larger then 40" tire for a 17" rim then the 40 mtrs (39") and the 42 iroks. THERE is no tire selection when you only have 1 truely over 40" tire available.

Bull $hit! Look here and then come back and tell us you were wrong and are sorry for arguing with us. http://intercotire.com/html/irok.htm

Go here too. http://iespell.com
 
LMAO, i said 42 irok, yes there is 49s but it is the same tire as the 42 just bigger. I figured i could leave the 49 out because its the same damn tire just bigger, but again nothing gets past the twisted panties.

As far as iespell, it was 1.00 am, the whole three words that i misspelled are a killer, LMAO. Didnt know i was sending a company memo.

Sig line
 
Easy, the bigger rim allows for less air in the tire, the tire can conform around an object easier because of the reduced air pressures.

So by going to a larger rim you will have the ability to run lower PSI's and still reduce the amount of sidewall deflection..

Drag racers are in a completly different world than we are. If you were to put a drag tire on a crawler you would pop a sidewall getting off of the trailer. The drag racer wants the tire to wrinkle to store excess kinetic energy. As the wrinkles "iron" out they release extra stored energy giving the rig a bit of a "push"


You are correct on the 15's vs 20's on a sports car. However, on a rockcrawler you need to run taller tires for diff clearance. So for good sidewall stability you need to run larger rims.. Get it???


In the end we are looking for the maximum diff clearance and the most traction available.
Short of going to a portal axle the easiest way to get room under the diff is to run larger tires. And one of the easiest ways to reduce wheel hop and sidewall deflection in the larger tires is to run a larger rim.

And for extrames.. I want to see you doing some hard core rockcrawling with a 32" tire..
Honestly it comes down to diminished returns.. a 40" tire on a 20" rim allows for very little air in the tire and almost no sidewall deflection.. But is VERY harsh. 42 and up for 20's...
 
HI^C said:
LMAO, i said 42 irok, yes there is 49s but it is the same tire as the 42 just bigger. I figured i could leave the 49 out because its the same damn tire just bigger, but again nothing gets past the twisted panties. Sig line


errrr, isnt that making a larger than 40" tyre, regardless of wether its the same type of tyre, it would still be a choice over 40" wouldnt it?
 
Mace said:
Drag racers are in a completly different world than we are. If you were to put a drag tire on a crawler you would pop a sidewall getting off of the trailer. The drag racer wants the tire to wrinkle to store excess kinetic energy. As the wrinkles "iron" out they release extra stored energy giving the rig a bit of a "push"
Drag racers also use the tyre as gearing, with a rail running a 32-33" tyre which will become a 36" tyre across the finish line.
 
I got my H2 wheels back today.
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Get a grip folks. It's still 80% driver, 20% rig. I'll keep my 44" TSL's on stock H1 rims. Is it the best? Nope. Can I outdrive anyone with open diffs and 29" tires? Maybe. :D

Ed
 

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