Questions for Mr. Mot

[LX_TREME]

Dear Mr Mot:

Is there HID fog lights (Fog Lamps) in Japan called IPF S9H11? or CIBIE ?
From my research boths exclusively made only for LC80 with 200-202 diameters. Each of the HID have max candle power of 80-125K.( I know its illegal ) but if both lights exist which one do you recommends the most?
Also is that true that takes about 2 months to get both fog lamps?

Thank you,
Regards

 

[Bear80]

not that this has to do with your question, but I want to know how you put in the HID head lights. Was it a conversion kit that ofcourse is no longer sold (illegal) or a BMW/MB conversion? What do you use for high beams, another set of HIDs? Screw the law, I want HIDs!! and you better ante-up on the lights and do some write ups about your wagon.

 

[LX_TREME]

Bear80, easy there fellas Yes i have Phillips HID installed on the LC80 headlights.Back then the kits available for 9006 & 9005 the kits contains HID bulbs, Ballast & relays.And the installations was not easy to be made in front of the driver side because theres no perfect fits where i can hide the ballast & relay box.And one tips you must to adjust your headlights (low beam) down after you installed otherwise :
1) Your LC80 already sit up high and you blind the upcomming traffics.
2) I guaranteed you will get tickets.

I dont care how many lights you put'em on or how much watts you have you cant never have much brightness compare to Truly HID.I think they still selling the HID kits out there and should be much cheaper by now.

My next & little project - HID Angel eyes fog lamps only for LC80 & screw the 100

 

[Bear80]

I dont care how many lights you put'em on or how much watts you have you cant never have much brightness compare to Truly HID.

Amen to that! Thanks, I figured you probably had the conversions...yeah I've looked some but haven't seen them. I guess I could dig them up somewhere but they are illegal to sell in the US.

I'm with you on the angel eye's lights too! I was just thinking of using the fog light mounts out of a 100 series arb bumper but those would look way better

 

[mot]

Dear Mr Mot:

Please, just call me Mot (not Bruce though; sorry!)

Is there HID fog lights (Fog Lamps) in Japan called IPF S9H11? or CIBIE ?

There are IPF (Japanese) and CIBIE (French) here and their products are available here.

You're talking about these, right?:
http://www.ipf.co.jp/catalog/offroad.html

IPF also introduced these HID fogs:
http://www.ipf.co.jp/catalog/kakudai/RevX/RevX4.html

I was thinking about mounting these in the ARB where the amber lenses are located.

I want a pair of these CIBIE SC Oscar cornering in HID:

http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/HID_SCOSCAR_SET.htm

Or the driving pattern would be nice, too.

Also their Super Oscar HID (driving) would be a killer:

http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/HID_SuperOscarSET.htm

I would like to either graft the SC Oscar where the high beams go and do the bi-xenon projector into the low slot.

I have also picked up a pair of Visage HID's (driving) in case I can't put the SC Oscar in the housing, these should fit where the highs go nicely:

http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/HID_VISAGE_SET.htm

You are not the only ones that are into lighting, my friend.
But I've heard (and seen) CIBIE's reflectors are prone to get rust spots prematurely. But you could purchase just the reflectors later if/when that happens.

I've got Hella's Luminator HID driving lights and IPF Super Rally 930 (100-170w halogens) which I would like to use mounted on the ARB.

From my research boths exclusively made only for LC80 with 200-202 diameters.

Well... if I'm understanding you correctly, no, none of these lights were designed specifically for the 80. Yes, the pic of the fogs with angel-eyes are just for the 100. I've seen them on the Net before, but not in real life. They are not HID, AFAIK.

Each of the HID have max candle power of 80-125K.( I know its illegal ) but if both lights exist which one do you recommends the most?

You probably mean the color in Kelvin, right? The color itself, I don't believe, is not the problem, but usually the glare the HID retrofits into housings designed for halogens produces.

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you, but for max. visibility you would want to stay between 4200-4500K. Higher the number, the bluer it gets. It might be cooler to see or to be seen, but the brightness decreases.

Do you want me to recommend a retro kit which is not illegal here in Japan or aux. HID lights (fog/driving).

Another thing you would want to keep in mind is that in case of foul weather, you would do better with fogs that are not ultra bright, nor white. Instead, you would do (see) better with yellow beam.

So for true "fog" or foul weather driving/functionality, you would do better with a halogen-based fogs, not HID. Unless your primary use of the fogs is more like the assist lamp to compensate for the poor low beam performance of the 80.

But if you must get an aftermarket retrofit kits, then I would stick with the big guns: Cibie (Vestec), Belloff(sp: don't know who manufactures them), Koito, FET(Catz), PIAA, Raybrig, etc...

Also is that true that takes about 2 months to get both fog lamps?

I don't think it would take that long to get any fogs, HID or otherwise.

I was lusting after these for a while, too:

http://www.cibie.com/Page/WOSS/WossXenonFogSet.htm

Anyway, let me know if you want to know more.

WOW!
Long post, sorry!

Mot

I don't know how the pics will show up but I'll attach a pic of the IPF in question, as well as the Cibie SC Oscar HID corner ones'.

I'll put more in another post, if you care to see.

 

[mot]

More pics (Super Oscar halogen and HID comparison) and the Cibie projector HID fog:

[edit] put the Super Oscar HID pic, instead.

 

[mot]

Looking at the last post it probably gives the impressiong (if not reading the post) that those projectors were used in the comparison pics.

Anyway...

The final two will be of the Visage halogen and HID (130mm or about 5" in diameter):

I'll go ahead and fix the last post with the correct pic.

[edit] and added the Visage pic.

 

[LX_TREME]

Mot, Thanks for compare & explained in both lights. Definetely the CIBIE Oscar HID is the killer.
but im interested in the HID-IPF S9H11 has wireless remote and more features.... etc. And now about the item availability, cost and time consume would you be able to help? If so i'll discuss & pm you later.
Can you also find out whether the IPF S9H11 has 8000K max candle power?

Thanks

 

[mot]

Mot, Thanks for compare & explanations in both lights. Definetely the CIBIE Oscar HID is the killer.
but im interested in the HID-IPF S9H11 has wireless remote and more features.... etc. And now about the item availability, cost and time consume would you be able to help? If so i'll discuss & pm you later.
Can you also find out whether the IPF S9H11 has 8000K max candle power?

Thanks

EnDLeSS,

A quick search gave me this link (no affiliation and stuff):

http://www.ok4wd.com/product.asp?id=128

I believe that would be the cheapest way to go, rather than having me get them here and ship them (shipping would be the killer).

I gotta leave for work now so I can't verify the candlepower, but it has only 4100k, not white/blue/purple enough for your liking, I bet.

I'll try looking for them when I get home, but I could not find it on the IPF site, so don't hold your breath.

Anyway...

Mot

 

[mot]

...but im interested in the HID-IPF S9H11 has wireless remote and more features.... etc.

I guess you like the wireless feature, but that's something you can add on any fog/driving lights if you want. And also I guess you like the ion crystal cover, too.

You already have the HID low beam, right?
I'm not sure if you would want to overkill with shining the same/similar area with even more High Intensity Discharge light. Besides, although they have the fog pattern, in actual foul weather driving conditions, you might even regret having them (on).

Can you also find out whether the IPF S9H11 has 8000K max candle power?

I did not come across the actual candlepower figure on them, but did find Koito's HID fog/spot lights numbers (a bit smaller diameter though); 30,000 candela (cd) and 200,000 cd, respectively. Yes, it's 30,000 (fog pattern) and 200,000 (spot). So that is a little off from your 8,000,000 cd target (Did I get that right?)

http://www.sp.koito.co.jp/autosply/rv_lamp/001.html
(Koito HID's)

If you want absolute brightness look no further than the Lightforce 240 Blitz HID.
They output and sheer size will overwhelm almost everyone!

http://www.lightforce.net.au/images/HID.pdf

They crank out awesome 1,500,000 cd!
They are tough, versatile (swappable lenses with various colors/applications, as well as allowing you to change between spot/fog light patterns). They may not be as flashy looking as you want, but they sure will deliver uncompromised performance.

http://www.lightforceusa.com/dealers.html
(Lightforce dealers in US)

Anyway... HTH, FWIW.

Mot

 

[mot]

EnDLeSS,

If you haven't already, you might want to spend some quality time reading some of these sites :

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

http://faqlight.carpassion.info/index.html

http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/

Mot

 

[LX_TREME]

Thanks again for all the lighting info everything pretty clear and very detail oriented.Actually i have the LC80 front bumper project( the front bumper have big opening in the middle and consists 2 fog lights and 1 in each corners since the front bumper have mount clearance about 7.87 inch or(200mm) diameters im looking for specific size that can fits into that holes.Otherwise koito really nice driving lights patterns.So do you recommends any HID fog or driving lights out there for the 7.87inch diameters? I mean the rounds one.

 

[loquito]

Hey Mot
this is interesting, I look forward to reading the links as well.

 

[mot]

So do you recommends any HID fog or driving lights out there for the 7.87inch diameters? I mean the rounds one.

EnDLeSS,

Super Oscar and the IPF ones should fit (S.O. might be pretty dang close). SC Oscar would be about 175mm(about 1 in. smaller than 200mm). If you stick with any of the reputable manufacturers you should be fine.

loquito,

Yeah, I've learned a few things by checking out those sites, especially the faq's in them.

Later,

Mot

 

[Jim_Chow]

While we're on the topic of lights, are there any HID lights that fit in the ARB deluxe bar in place of the round IPF light? I'm running PIAA L-525X's (H4's) on my winchbar, but find that the fogs (here in AZ) are virtually useless, as it seldom rains/snows, no fog. I have a switch operate the low's while the high's are wired to my stock high beams, so they turn on/off together automatically. I've found that unless you're driving in the middle of nowhere (lonely desert road at night), I don't have any opportunity to even use the driving lights. So if you want to see a difference every day, low beam HID's seem more practical, even if they're those little HID fogs that mount in the bumper.

 

[mot]

... are there any HID lights that fit in the ARB deluxe bar in place of the round IPF light? I'm running PIAA L-525X's (H4's) on my winchbar, but find that the fogs (here in AZ) are virtually useless, as it seldom rains/snows, no fog.

Hey, Jim,

You talking about for the 80 or the 100?
You are interested in replacing your PIAA's or just wondering which HID's would fit there instead of the IPF's that (might?) come with the delux bar(?) Sorry!

Anything that's similar in size or smaller should fit in place of the IPF's, right? I guess you could get the HID in fog pattern and have them on all the time and you "might" not get pulled over (but not sure). It would be mighty bright and the police may pull you over because they might think that they are driving/spot lights. Who knows...

... So if you want to see a difference every day, low beam HID's seem more practical, even if they're those little HID fogs that mount in the bumper.

So you want to install a small fog in your ARB or just saying that anyone who wants to get the best bang for the buck should add aux. assist/low HID's instead of driving/spots.

Yeah, the IPF fogs that I talked about (H.52mm/about 2" (including the brakets) x W.124mm x D.114mm) should fit where the amber lenses are in the ARB (for the 80) with no or little grinding. Or it would be totally easy to install them under the ARB (remove them before wheeling).

If you want to take advantage HID in both low/high would be to do the bi-xenon projector install. It would be good for most situations and you can always add a pair of large driving/spots to suppliment/compliment them.

Of course, you will have to remove (or cut a hole) the textured glass cover/lense of the headlights so you can take full advantage of the bi-xonons.

Anyway... sorry if this post is somewhat confusing and did not answer/address anything you wanted to know.

Mot

Attaching a pic of the IPF HID fogs (can be had in clear or ion crystal).

 

[LX_TREME]

Mot,

Im still unsure which fog lights im gonna go for... I mean the HID CIBIE SCOSCAR definetely bigguns there...
Where can i get the HID CIBIE SCOSCAR in U.S?
http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/HID_SuperOscarSET.htm

Also you had mentioned earlier that the CIBIE reflector easy to get rust?

"But I've heard (and seen) CIBIE's reflectors are prone to get rust spots prematurely. But you could purchase just the reflectors later if/when that happens".

Also im getting new front bumper so this is just the idea how exactly where the fog lights gonna go... 1 in each corner. ( Sorry not that big heavy bumper folks )
http://www2.nkansai.ne.jp/shop/dream/

 

[Jim_Chow]

Mot, I was just wondering if the round IPF fog light in the ARB deluxe winchbars have an equivalent HID replacement that requires no mods. Is that plastic insert in the deluxe bars the same for 100s, prado's, etc?

 

[mot]

Where can i get the HID CIBIE SCOSCAR in U.S?
http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/HID_SuperOscarSET.htm

Also you had mentioned earlier that the CIBIE reflector easy to get rust?
:

You can try doing a search on the Net with "Cibie Super Oscar HID" and see if there are any dealers that carry them (I have seen them months ago). If not, you can try contacting Cibie dealers and see if they will order them for you. If those fail, then as the last resort, I can help you, but that would not be very cost effective obviously because of the shipping cost. But let me know.

Also im getting new front bumper so this is just the idea how exactly where the fog lights gonna go... 1 in each corner.

I've seen something similar and they sometimes come with the lights already inserted in them. I'm not sure if you want the fog or the driving pattern since you already have HID retrofit on your low beams. Driving lights would do better if installed higher, i.e., in front of the grill, on the bullbar, etc... especially if your truck sits lower than normal to start with.

But I know that guys who install those in Imprezas usually install driving lights in there and they sit low to the ground. Anyway...

When you are driving in the backroad and switch to highs, can you see anything? I'm not sure if you've upgraded your high beam bulbs, but even if you did the HIR mod, you would be hard pressed to come close to the brightness/effect of your HID lows.

Just curious.

Mot

 

[mot]

Mot, I was just wondering if the round IPF fog light in the ARB deluxe winchbars have an equivalent HID replacement that requires no mods.

You mean plug and play?
I have never done the installation myself, but the ignitor is already in the reflector so the only major part you would have to mount other than the lights themselves are the ballasts. The new ones are smaller and they come with self-adhesive tape for quick installation (not sure about the their (tape's) longivity(sp)).

I believe all the newer Cibie and IPF (usually) come with wireless remote switch (with LED indicator) so you wouldn't have to worry about getthing the wire through firewall, etc... into the cabin. So the installation should be pretty simple.

Is that plastic insert in the deluxe bars the same for 100s, prado's, etc?

I have no idea Jim, but the lenses cannot be much taller than 2", right? But I guess in either case you might have to take the bumper off if you have to do some grinding, etc...

Anyway, sorry if this doesn't help much.

Mot