Powerupgrade ok for the gearbox?

[Eurobike]

Hi, my name is Christian, I live in Germany and want to buy a LC-Wagon, here it's called GRJ76.

In Germany there are two versions of the 1GR-FE Engine, the standard with 228 HP / 360 Nm and an upgraded version with 272 HP / 440 Nm. The stronger engine hast the same specs as in the FJ-Cruiser but the gearbox is the same as in the standard version.

Does anybody knows if the gearbox is able to handle the 80 Nm extra torque with no durability issues? We have only 4 dealers that import the 70-Series and two of them only sell the upgraded version.

Thanks for any information,
Christian

 

[UltraFJ40]

I know nothing about it but give it some time and welcome to the Mudness. Lots of good stuff and brains here.

 

[GTSSportCoupe]

Hi, my name is Christian, I live in Germany and want to buy a LC-Wagon, here it's called GRJ76.

In Germany there are two versions of the 1GR-FE Engine, the standard with 228 HP / 360 Nm and an upgraded version with 272 HP / 440 Nm. The stronger engine hast the same specs as in the FJ-Cruiser but the gearbox is the same as in the standard version.

Does anybody knows if the gearbox is able to handle the 80 Nm extra torque with no durability issues? We have only 4 dealers that import the 70-Series and two of them only sell the upgraded version.

Thanks for any information,
Christian

Toyota is usually pretty good about matching the power capability of their engines to the transmissions in a new vehicle. I would not worry about it. Get the one with the better engine. (assuming the upgraded version is direct from Toyota?). Will it have a warranty?

 

[Eurobike]

No, unfortunately the upgraded Version is not from Toyota. The 70-Series is not sold by Toyota in Europe and in order to meet the emission standard EU6, the dealers do the homologation by themselves. The warranty is only from the dealer, one of them is an official Toyota dealer. I was hoping the gasoline versions that come to Europe have the same gearbox as the one fitted to the VDJ V8 turbo-diesel sold in Australia (torque = 430 Nm).

I don't know which gearbox is fitted to the gasoline Version, perhaps the H150 F or the H151 F. These gearboxes have the the same gearing as the one in the VDJ for first to third, but the fourth and fifth gear are different. Perhaps I am lucky and an somebody who knows more can bring some light into this.

 

[SNLC]

Well it would only be the R151F or H151F or perhaps the new H152.

Cheers

 

[Locked79]

It should have the H150f of H152f. All the gasoline versions in Aus had the the H series boxes.

Power upgrade will be no problem. In Aus, we're running over 1000nm through them.

 

[roscoFJ73]

I cant see it being a problem. The biggest killer of gearboxes is letting the clutch out fast from standing start.
Even the R151 behind the 1HZ could get respectable miles with a respectable driver.

 

[Tapage]

I cant see it being a problem. The biggest killer of gearboxes is letting the clutch out fast from standing start.
Even the R151 behind the 1HZ could get respectable miles with a respectable driver.

if kept NA ( a 135 HP engine ) sure it will ..

 

[Eurobike]

Thank you guys, nice to read that the the gearbox will probably be ok. Otherwise I would have only two dealers to choose from.

 

[DamoPeru]

The 70-Series is not sold by Toyota in Europe and in order to meet the emission standard EU6, the dealers do the homologation by themselves. The warranty is only from the dealer, one of them is an official Toyota dealer.

I doubt they are actually cutting up new vehicles and swapping engines and gearbox configurations, so you should be fine as long as it was assembled in Japan .

 

[JuanJ]

I cant see it being a problem. The biggest killer of gearboxes is letting the clutch out fast from standing start.
Even the R151 behind the 1HZ could get respectable miles with a respectable driver.

Hello,

x2.

GRJ7x Land Cruisers have the H150F transmission. First gear is rather low, but you get used to it.

It is way beefier than it looks. It clicks when you shift gears, a feedback mechanism. It handles torque very well, especially at low gears. You can drive it at 80 - 90 km/h at 2000 - 2200 rpm all day. Off road, in second gear and L4 it will take you almost anywhere and back.

Either with the standard or upgraded version of the 1GR engine, it will serve you faithfully, provided you are gentle with the clutch. Make sure you change the oil every 40000 km.

Hope this helps.





Juan

 

[Locked79]

Hello,

x2.

GRJ7x Land Cruisers have the H150F transmission. First gear is rather low, but you get used to it.

It is way beefier than it looks. It clicks when you shift gears, a feedback mechanism. It handles torque very well, especially at low gears. You can drive it at 80 - 90 km/h at 2000 - 2200 rpm all day. Off road, in second gear and L4 it will take you almost anywhere and back.

Either with the standard or upgraded version of the 1GR engine, it will serve you faithfully, provided you are gentle with the clutch. Make sure you change the oil every 40000 km.

Hope this helps.





Juan

Funny you should mention 40k km oil change, I just clicked over 40k and checked the all the oils, gearbox was like brand new, transfer was starting to discolor, front diff was like new and rear diff was only slightly off color.

I went into toyota and asked what their service schedule was, and was informed that all they do is inspect, if its not milky or badly burnt they do not replace it for the life of the vehicle. F@*K that.

Im going to check it again at 60k and send away an oil sample at 80k to see how much life its got left. Even at 80k, I suspect it will still be fine.

 

[Eurobike]

The Land Cruisers sold here are assembled in Japan and come to Germany through a dealer in Dubai. Only one of the Dealers buys his cars directly in Japan. If my data is correct, the H 150 F has the same gearing as the VDJ in first and third. Second, fourth and fifth are lower.
I will keep an eye on the fluids. What they sell to us as "lifetime" oil usually means the part has the lifetime of the oil in it.
@Locked79, great project with the vdj79 and Fzj105! I only could start to read, I hope I can continue soon.

 

[Locked79]

@Eurobike The vdj79 always had the h150f up until late 2016 where it got the h152f.

Compared to the h150f, the h151f has higher 1st and 2nd gears. All the rest are the same.

Now the h152f has the same 1st as h150f, 2nd same as h151f, 3rd and 4th didn't change, but 5th was changed to lower the cruising rpm to 2000rpm at 100kph.

 

[Locked79]

Some more info on all 3 boxes


Manual Gearbox; 5-speed manual the model designation is H150F.
The gear ratios are: 1st 4.529:1, 2nd 2.464:1, 3rd 1.49:1, 4th 1:1, 5th .881:1, reverse 4.313:1

Manual Gearbox; 5-speed manual the model designation is H151F.
The gear ratios are: 1st 4.081:1, 2nd 2.294:1, 3rd 1.49:1, 4th 1:1, 5th .881:1, reverse 4.313:1

 

[Eurobike]

Great, thank you very much. If the H150 F managed the V8 than the V6 will be peanuts.

I can't wait to put my hands on the GRJ76, it will be our travel vehicle with a roof tent and so on. It will probably be a tent from gordigear, they are also sold here. Unfortunately the Toyota dealers are taking more time than I expected to quote. Tomorrow we will be leaving to Chile to visit my sister and brother in law, so I will have to make a break until we come back from vacation. I expect to get all 4 offers in the meantime.

The plan for vacation is to make a trip from Santiago to the Atacama desert driving up through Argentina and back through Chile, with a rented 4Runner. I hope we get the car so I can at least get a feeling for the 1GR-FE engine.

These cars are so rare here in Germany, to do a test-drive I would have to drive nearly 450 km one way. I wanted to do a test-drive with my wife to make sure she is ok with the LC, but there is no way to get the lady to drive so far just for a car. At least we managed to do a "sit-in" at a fair two months ago, when I received green light for the project.

 

[roscoFJ73]

I can't wait to put my hands on the GRJ76,

We will be looking forward to pics of your 76 series and the trip

 

[JuanJ]

Funny you should mention 40k km oil change, I just clicked over 40k and checked the all the oils, gearbox was like brand new, transfer was starting to discolor, front diff was like new and rear diff was only slightly off color.

I went into toyota and asked what their service schedule was, and was informed that all they do is inspect, if its not milky or badly burnt they do not replace it for the life of the vehicle. F@*K that.

Im going to check it again at 60k and send away an oil sample at 80k to see how much life its got left. Even at 80k, I suspect it will still be fine.

Hello,

I checked the maintenance plan. About transmission oil, it says "inspect, replace if deemed necessary" every 40000 km.

Interestingly, this piece of advice is missing on Australian owner's manuals. It is included, along with a rather detailed schedule, on general markets' manuals.

The local shop prefers to play it safe. They replace the oil every 40000 km. I agree. Money spent on transmission oil buys peace of mind as well, in my humble opinion.






Juan

 

[Locked79]

Hello,

I checked the maintenance plan. About transmission oil, it says "inspect, replace if deemed necessary" every 40000 km.

Interestingly, this piece of advice is missing on Australian owner's manuals. It is included, along with a rather detailed schedule, on general markets' manuals.

The local shop prefers to play it safe. They replace the oil every 40000 km. I agree. Money spent on transmission oil buys peace of mind as well, in my humble opinion.






Juan

Good to know Juan, I have no problems changing the oil if it needs it, but the oil in the gearbox looks brands new. No discoloration at all. I will inspect again at 60k and report back.

 

[JuanJ]

Good to know Juan, I have no problems changing the oil if it needs it, but the oil in the gearbox looks brands new. No discoloration at all. I will inspect again at 60k and report back.

Hello,

Looking forward to hear about your experience at 60000 km.





Juan