Power surge at 3300rpm?

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Eicca

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Ok, so bear with me. This is actually happening on my Lexus GS400, but I've detected it to a lesser degree on our UZJ100 as well. Both have well over 200k miles and run flawless. Since they're both basically the same engine I figured you mudders will be a load more help than ClubLexus...

So here's what's up: Under part throttle (say 40%), right at 3300rpm, every time, there's a sudden surge of power that kicks pretty hard. Like, it'll push you back in the seat and if the roads are wet the tires will get unsettled. It's much less noticeable on the Land Cruiser, but still detectable if you're paying attention.

It's not a gradual rise in power output. It's a very noticeable "kick."

Happens whether or not the VSC is enabled.

Happens regardless of what gear I'm in.

It's not the ACIS. This was happening both with and without the ACIS system functioning.

I don't think it's the VVTi. The Techstream diagnostics for VVTi says everything is working fine, and the car idles normally.

It became more intense after I swapped the Tundra intake onto my engine.

It doesn't sound like the computer is manipulating the throttle--my Lexus makes a ton of induction noise so it's very easy to tell what the throttle is up to (like when it closes down during gear changes).

I recorded the "kick" three times in Techstream, but the graphs don't update fast enough to show what's happening. By the time it takes another "snapshot" the event has already passed.

Unless I'm missing something, I believe the engine is pulling timing until 3300rpm. But why would it do that? Would a vacuum leak cause the computer to run in "safety" maps in the lower RPMs? Unstable detonation wouldn't lead to consistent predictable timing retardation, would it?

Last I checked, the valve and head were extremely clean, so I doubt carbon build up is the problem.

I'm going to try and find another OBD device that'll update fast enough to see what's happening, but I don't have a lot of hope.

This should be a fun one for y'all to muse over. Thanks in advance for any knowledge or suggestions that'll help me figure this out!
 
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That's right where the power band tops out, you're feeling the full power of the engine. Then it drops off from there.
 
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That's right where the power band tops out, you're feeling the full power of the engine. Then it drops off from there.

What I'm feeling is "meh, meh, meh... WHAM tons of power" from 3300 all the way to redline.

It feels like it gets a shot of NOS at 3300.
 
I still don't know why you're complaining. And I do not have an answer other than to drive it differently. Lol
 
I still don't know why you're complaining. And I do not have an answer other than to drive it differently. Lol

It doesn’t feel right. My uncle’s GS430 (basically same engine) doesn’t do it.
 
I know older Lexus models have low speed and high speed fuel pump relays. Maybe you're feeling the high speed fuel pump relay kick on giving it full power along with the ecu changing timing with the additional fuel pressure for the “boost” of power?
 
I know older Lexus models have low speed and high speed fuel pump relays. Maybe you're feeling the high speed fuel pump relay kick on giving it full power along with the ecu changing timing with the additional fuel pressure for the “boost” of power?

A possibility. I will read more into it, however my preliminary searching tells me that system was 1997 and older. All the UZ engines from 1998 onward used redesigned systems but were basically the same across the different models.
 
If I understand your question, you've swapped the intake with a "Tundra" intake, and now your "seat of the pants" dyno is detecting a surge in power @3300RPM?

I recall a similar sensation on my first SBC build, about 40 years ago, when I went with a "bigger" intake and carb than the engine would support.
 
If I understand your question, you've swapped the intake with a "Tundra" intake, and now your "seat of the pants" dyno is detecting a surge in power @3300RPM?

I recall a similar sensation on my first SBC build, about 40 years ago, when I went with a "bigger" intake and carb than the engine would support.

It still happened with the stock intake, just became stronger with the Tundra intake. I know it boosted my torque because it takes noticeably less throttle pedal to cruise on the highway, so if the ECU is pulling timing then it would make sense that it would hit harder when timing is corrected.

Does that thought process make sense?

I got my hands on an ArtiLink 201 that'll show me a graph of the ignition timing advance, so I'll have to have someone film for me while I make a few pulls.
 
My SC400 (1UZ-FE, non-VVTI) did something similar to this as well depending on throttle position, speed, etc. I'd attributed it to a torque convertor issue but never was able to reliably duplicate it. My GF at the time discovered it when she hesitated to accelerate once, then decided to, and the car took off like a bat outta hell on her. after it figured out which gear to go to. It was fun to be able to catch it here and there but ultimately it never really had much effect on daily driving.
 
My SC400 (1UZ-FE, non-VVTI) did something similar to this as well depending on throttle position, speed, etc. I'd attributed it to a torque convertor issue but never was able to reliably duplicate it. My GF at the time discovered it when she hesitated to accelerate once, then decided to, and the car took off like a bat outta hell on her. after it figured out which gear to go to. It was fun to be able to catch it here and there but ultimately it never really had much effect on daily driving.

Did you feel like it was more unpredictable on your engine?

I can reproduce mine with 100% success.
 
Fixed it. I assumed that I didn’t have a vacuum leak because I changed all the hoses when I swapped manifolds. Turns out, the hose I put on the PCV wasn’t rated for petroleum and basically melted.

I replaced that crap hose with a proper Gates woven PCV line. Now the torque comes on strong right off the top of the throttle and is smooth all the way across the rev range.

So just for kicks I checked the Land Cruiser fuel trims and guess what? Vacuum leak. Almost identical trim numbers to my Lexus (+15 at idle).

Very interesting symptoms, but hey, add this one to the books for future reference.
 

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