Perkins Diesel in FJ40(with pics and video)

[ne715]

Hi all, new to posting in this diesel forum, but I thought I would share my progress on the current project.

Got the 4 cylinder Perkins diesel 4.236 installed into the Cruiser frame and got it started. The engine is originally out of a Massey Ferguson swather. I purchased adaptors from Phoenix Group in NE so that I can put a Dodge TF727 behind in and a Dana 300 x-fer case. Getting ready to pull the tub off so we can finish installing the drive train. Also purchase an HB system for the brakes.

Anyhow enjoy.
Pam

Video of engine http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/ne715/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv

 

[RHINO]

nice man, love different. perkins makes some great little engines, that should do you well. it seems you and i are a minority with the Phx adapters, no one seems to like them for some reason.

 

[roscoFJ73]

Interesting swap I was looking at the specs for this engine and see it gets 72 hp at 2200rpm,which is early.
It wont be no highway racer,but offoad it should be a stump puller

 

[Dougal]

Perkins is owned by CAT now, so you can keep a straight face while telling people it's caterpiller powered.

 

[Tapage]

Nice proyect ..

did you have the torque numbers for this engine .. ? with the D300 2.67:1 you found great off road gearing.

 

[Dougal]

Nice proyect ..

did you have the torque numbers for this engine .. ? with the D300 2.67:1 you found great off road gearing.

72hp at 2200rpm is about 230Nm.

 

[Tapage]

72hp at 2200rpm is about 230Nm.

Something close to drive a 40 with a B engine . ?

 

[lostmarbles]

Something close to drive a 40 with a B engine . ?

Looks quite a bit HEAVIER (and more tractor-like) than a Toyota B engine. I'd be interested in the weight of it.

Sounds nice and will make a really unique vehicle!

 

[ne715]

Looks quite a bit HEAVIER (and more tractor-like) than a Toyota B engine. I'd be interested in the weight of it.

Sounds nice and will make a really unique vehicle!

Engine weight is 750 lbs

According to the specs the Intermittant torque max is 192 at 1300 rpm, and continous torque at 175 at 1300 rpm.

I'm hoping it will be truely unique.

Pam

 

[roscoFJ73]

72hp at 2200rpm is about 230Nm.

My mistake ,it has 67 hp but there is also a turbo version that has a over 100hp.
The Perkins has often been dismissed as an old tractor engine,but they have been used in many vehicles vehicles successfully.
This type of swap may prove popular as the supply of reasonable B and H engines dries up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Perkins_engines

 

[2HH55F]

Pam, you will be amazed at how flexable that "little" engine is, had a 75 Series factory fitted with a 236, PO had done 200K very hard overland safari stuff, chasis was cracked all over the place, engine was as strong as an ox, finally had it rebuilt and crank was standard, only needed a polish @ 350K. It would pull anything you attached to it at 120 KPH all day, had a 5 speed box. Only down side is that you wont be sneaking around, every one will know when you drive past, speeding tractor comes to mind!!!!.

 

[lostmarbles]

....Engine weight is 750 lbs....the Intermittant torque max is 192 at 1300 rpm, and continous torque at 175 at 1300 rpm..............Pam

Thanks Pam.

Just realised - The weight of my 3L (2977cc) B engine is one specification that I don't know but I would expect it to be around 650lbs in comparison to your 750lbs.

Does anyone know the exact weight of a B (or 3B which would be much the same) engine?

My B puts out 80HP (59.7kW) at 3600 rpm and the torque spec is 141 ft-lbs (191N-m) at 2200 rpm.

So, in comparison: I understand your 3.9L Perkins puts out 67HP at 2200rpm and has a torque rating of 192/175 at 1300 rpm.

Wikipedia info rates your Perkins very highly in terms of reliability and efficiency too.

Wow! That low down torque will be MAJOR FUN because I'm quite happy with the torque on mine (which is significantly less and at considerably higher rpm). Your hybrid will certainly sound like a "grunty tractor".

Another factor is the height of that engine. Do you anticipate having to make modifications to clear the front diff/driveshaft?

 

[ne715]

Another factor is the height of that engine. Do you anticipate having to make modifications to clear the front diff/driveshaft?

I was concerned before we set the engine into the frame, but the crank pully sets well behind the axle, I haven't gotten to the driveshafts as of yet. When I get back from TX I will try and get some pics (weather permitting) of how it sets in the frame now that the tub is back off of it. WARNING!! I don't have an original LC frame, but it does have an 90" wheel base.

Pam

 

[roscoFJ73]

I was concerned before we set the engine into the frame, but the crank pully sets well behind the axle, I haven't gotten to the driveshafts as of yet. When I get back from TX I will try and get some pics (weather permitting) of how it sets in the frame now that the tub is back off of it. WARNING!! I don't have an original LC frame, but it does have an 90" wheel base.

Pam

Is it a Ford frame? or heaven forbid a LANDROVER frame or have you borrowed the Massey Fergie frame as well .

Where is the lower coolant outlet?

Keep us informed with pics and commentary

 

[ne715]

Is it a Ford frame? or heaven forbid a LANDROVER frame or have you borrowed the Massey Fergie frame as well .

Where is the lower coolant outlet?

Keep us informed with pics and commentary

Lower coolant out let comes out of the water pump.

Okay the frame if from a Wagoneer, I didn't say the J word . But before you get riled up let me explain why the Wag frame.

1. I had it.
2. The cruiser had set for 20+ years and the axles, brakes, etc. would have had to been completely rebuilt.
3. Dual wheel cylinder drum brakes all the way around.
4. Power steering.
5. Wag frame was driven up to a year ago, brakes etc. were in good working condition.
6. Parts a readily available for the Wag, and a lot cheaper to buy. I live in a very small town and you ask for Cruiser parts they look at you like you are on crack.

So we took the Wag frame and shortened 18" to make the 90" wheel base to fit the cruiser tub.

Pam

 

[lostmarbles]

Looks like you have everything else pretty well sorted but I must say I cringe at how thin that frame is Pam. (Landrover used thin sheetmetal for their frames but at least they boxed it in fully.) Frame-strength will be an issue for you I think unless you're very ingenious in ways of improving it.

(Remember your motor is extra heavy with bucket-loads of axle-breaking torque!)

 

[ne715]

Looks like you have everything else pretty well sorted but I must say I cringe at how thin that frame is Pam. (Landrover used thin sheetmetal for their frames but at least they boxed it in fully.) Frame-strength will be an issue for you I think unless you're very ingenious in ways of improving it.

(Remember your motor is extra heavy with bucket-loads of axle-breaking torque!)

Actually it is really hard to see in the pictures but the frame is cut and slid inside of itself. Tab A slot B thing. It was really the only way to take out 18" out of a 20" area that was straight enough to cut.

 

[lostmarbles]

Actually it is really hard to see in the pictures but the frame is cut and slid inside of itself. Tab A slot B thing. It was really the only way to take out 18" out of a 20" area that was straight enough to cut.

If only I had the time to start a "40 project" and could source the same motor you have done Pam.

I've been dreaming about your motor in my BJ40 with my air-lockers fitted. -----Idling through difficult terrain with a deep tractor-like exhaust note where V8-powered 4x4s before me have had to choose "full revs" to get through!

 

[KwaTeebs]

Wow - I know this is an old thread. But in South Africa during Apartheid (and associated sanctions on certain imports) the 75 series cruiser came with the 4 cylinder Perkins straight out the factory. My buddy has a 1987 75 series bakkie with this engine. It is definitely no highway racer but it is quite something as an off road crawler. Common tractor and genset engine here in South Africa.

 

[jctoy]

This is interesting. I wonder what components the factory used to adapt the engines to the drivetrain?