My main reasons for multiple LC's are safety & reliability. As far as safety, the most dangerous thing most do is drive a car. WE spend thousands on health Ins. to fix us when broken, I like trying to prevent broken. Therefore we currently have an 04 & 05 100 series, 96 80 series & 08 GX 470. As for reliability, we all know about that.
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very true, just last week my 71 year old mom had some service done on her 97 40th(with diff locks) she bought new, getting close to 200K, they put her in a new Camry.....she was horrified after she drove it, she was just not use to sitting so low in a car....she did like the color of it.....red, she always wanted a red SUV/truck.....but the car thing was not for her. I'll tell you that Cruiser of hers has cost very little in upkeep and has never let her down and it still looks like new, its also a classy rig. I really never thought she would still have it 17 years latter....just amazes me. (but there are a ton of 1 owner 80's and 100's running around town)
mom can buy any vehicle she wants....but trying to get her to part with her Cruiser is(and will be) almost impossible, she has never owned a rig she has liked more or felt safer in. She does know that the time will come when she will need to replace it. When she talked about getting something new last year......she got emotional about getting rid of the Cruiser, part of the reason is she just does not like the looks of any of the new vehicles, even a new 200. She will prolly end up with a 4runner(or GX470)
took me years to talk dad into a Toyota....but a few years ago he got a nice(made in Japan) 4runner Trail and loves it, they took it to Alaska last year for a month long road trip. Was also happy when he put some good tires on it, BFG AT's. Pretty proud of both of them
my 2000 100 has been the most trouble free rig I have ever owned....and I have had Toyota's since 1985
but I also want to be a bit more normal....having 7 Cruisers(and 3 more not on the road) is a bit nutty.....even I know that
mom can buy any vehicle she wants....but trying to get her to part with her Cruiser is(and will be) almost impossible, she has never owned a rig she has liked more or felt safer in. She does know that the time will come when she will need to replace it. When she talked about getting something new last year......she got emotional about getting rid of the Cruiser, part of the reason is she just does not like the looks of any of the new vehicles, even a new 200. She will prolly end up with a 4runner(or GX470)
took me years to talk dad into a Toyota....but a few years ago he got a nice(made in Japan) 4runner Trail and loves it, they took it to Alaska last year for a month long road trip. Was also happy when he put some good tires on it, BFG AT's. Pretty proud of both of them
my 2000 100 has been the most trouble free rig I have ever owned....and I have had Toyota's since 1985
but I also want to be a bit more normal....having 7 Cruisers(and 3 more not on the road) is a bit nutty.....even I know that
Same with a neighbor of mine who has had his 94 since new (and is in pristine condition). He also can get whatever he wants, but he holds onto that Cruiser and has a very emotional attachment to it. Can't blame him from thwarting my offers to take it off his hands.
Saw this recent study about fatalities in small and large vehicles with consideration to vehicle weight. If you look at the graphs, it shows the driver fatality rate in a 1997-2000 5,000lb SUV at 60 deaths per million (registration years). Another graph shows 2007-2010 3,500lb passenger vehicle (car & minivan) with a fatality rate of 45 deaths per million.
60 deaths per million for the 1997 SUV
45 deaths per million for the 2010 passenger vehicle
Of course, this can all be argued but it's just something to think about.
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study
Yes, but most vehicle fatalities DON'T involve head on collisions. The point of the study.... in the past 10-20 years, there are been great advances in safety with smaller cars. "Small cars are as safe as big cars 20 years ago." The majority of fatalities are caused by "ran off the road collisions" and in this case, I would rather be in 2013 car with 16 airbags and strengthened roof structure than a 1997 SUV with 2 airbags... colliding with a tree/utility pole or building. The tree/pole or building will not lose.
I was just reminded of this thread:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/our-new-land-cruiser-saved-our-lives.405093/
I think there are way too many variables to say vehicle X would survive better than vehicle Y. Then there is that video where the Suburban gets obliterated by the Mack truck--no amount of airbags or steel reinforcement would have saved that Suburban.
Modern advances in safety has come a long way, but I'm not trading in my 00 LC for a 14 Sienna anytime soon!
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/our-new-land-cruiser-saved-our-lives.405093/
I think there are way too many variables to say vehicle X would survive better than vehicle Y. Then there is that video where the Suburban gets obliterated by the Mack truck--no amount of airbags or steel reinforcement would have saved that Suburban.
Modern advances in safety has come a long way, but I'm not trading in my 00 LC for a 14 Sienna anytime soon!
Haha, same here but if the next Sienna is body on frame, 4wd with low range, I would!
Hoser, not trying to bust ur chops, but I have a close friend & a nephew, injured in separate accidents within the last year, that in my opinion could have been avoided with larger cars. Both were rear ended at stop lights, friend needs back surgery, nephew cerebral hemorrhage with memory loss 4 months latter. I do see ur point for average big city driving.
El Cid, I think of the whole website as an addiction support group Don't mean to derail your thread.
One LC = Need
Two LC's = Hobby
Three plus LC's = Addiction
I belong to the later.
ToyEvil, I do agree with you. All things being equal, when rear ended, the vehicle with the greater mass is the one you want to be in. There have been few safety technological advances in the past 20 years in that regard.
Don't mean to derail your thread.One LC = Need
Two LC's = Hobby
Three plus LC's = Addiction
I belong to the later.
ToyEvil, I do agree with you. All things being equal, when rear ended, the vehicle with the greater mass is the one you want to be in. There have been few safety technological advances in the past 20 years in that regard.
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El Cid, I think of the whole website as an addiction support group
One LC = Need
Two LC's = Hobby
Three plus LC's = Addiction
I belong to the later..
Not derailed at all. My curiousity was the preferences of multiple lc owners. The answers are interesting, as 2nd land cruiser buyers are driven by the strength of the dependability and value. Marketing hype is simply that. The 'luxury' SUV concept never made sense to me. Consumers(in general) buy SUV's for the most absurd reasons, and in the minds of many the differences are minimal. I've rented and driven: the Tahoe, Escalade, Mitsubishi, & Volvo, but I never considered buying one, as in my opinion an SUV should satisfy the utilitarian concept first and foremost. While those SUV's were 'nice,' they didn't remotely justify the price based on their reputation for durability.
I wanted an SUV that could be spartan and extremely utilitarian first and foremost. Able to handle driving in extreme cold/heat/rain/snow and as durable as possible.
Users here that double down and buy a 2nd are IMO very motivated by the durability. That was my good faith belief as well and it gives me a good sense of comfort in pulling the trigger again.
LOL, I'm trying to justify owning four LC's right now. I have owned and sold several others over the years. My 80 series is my best off-road LC, my 100's are bullet proof, the most reliable, easy to work on, best looking LC, and the 200 is just the newest LC out there. Like most I have regretted ever selling my '84 FJ40 and any other LC I've sold.
I will never sell my 100 series Rigs.
I will never sell my 100 series Rigs.
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Eight Land Cruisers ,several wrecks ,not our fault and we lived . Looking to buy more , it's a respectable hobby and keeps me out of trouble . Plus they are fun to drive and you sit up high with no blind spots . Mike
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When it comes to making purchases of more than say, 2k, I'm diligent, methodical, and I research sufficiently so that my emotion factors little into my decision or negotiation approach. That keeps me from getting screwed, or conversely, screwing myself.
If I had any ambivalence about making a second purchase, after some of the responses here, my opinion has swung to, "Damn I hope I'm not bidding against that guy for the same vehicle.."
If I had any ambivalence about making a second purchase, after some of the responses here, my opinion has swung to, "Damn I hope I'm not bidding against that guy for the same vehicle.."
My first vehicle was a 76 fj40 traded it in on a 87 hj75 (8mths old) and still have it plus a hz105 series. I would like to get a 45 series project but have to finish a couple of 1960 holden utes (pickup) first.I will never sell the 75 but will update the 105 in a few yrs may be a 200 or 100.
Hahaha...El Cid I hear you..I'm that the guy opposite of you. If I like it emotionally, money is not the factor. I have definitely over-paid for some LC's because of something like color availability. I don't think I have ever gotten screwed though, because I personally think most of the used rigs (unless it's a rust bucket) are under-valued for the pleasure to work on and their reliability.
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I agree with you and that fact makes the margin of error much, much lower. It matters little if you paid 2-5k more if you end up owning it a while.
Even if I whip myself into being methodical, our brains are equally capable of either approach. I don't trust my emotions to make decisions. But that doesn't mean it's that easy for me(or anyone else) to control
The safety thing is definitely a factor for myself and the wife 
as well. The bottom line is that a solid truck frame and steel body is going to win over most modern vehicles that are designed to crush on impact. Not to mention that 9 times out of 10, being higher up is an advantage. Most accidents are not catastrophic roll overs going off the road. And in a standard fender bender, I want to be in the big steel box with a heavy duty truck frame.
As an example, the wife was stopped at a light driving the 100 last year. The car in front of her stalled and didn't go when the light was green. She was in the middle lane, and cars on both sides started to move and go. The young girl behind her was probably sitting on her phone distracted and texting, when she saw the vehicles to either side of her moving along at a good clip. She gunned it thinking she was going to be blocking traffic and rammed right into the back of the 100 probably at about 10-15 mph.
She was driving some econo box nissan something or other. When I got to the scene and surveyed the damage, it was pretty astounding. The girl went UNDERNEATH the rear bumper, impacted the spare tire, ripped it off the pulley system, and submarined the front of her vehicle under the rear end of the 100. After pulling the spare tire from the road and checking underneath, there was zero damage to the truck other then a small dent in the plastic rear bumper fascia and some paint damage, and of course the spare tire pulley system was ripped and would need to be replaced. Her car was most likely a total, given the year/car value and the amount of front end damage. The wife wasn't even initially sure that she had been hit, until she got out of the car!
Now that is safety and why we drive a overbuilt 100! End result of the accident is that I got a body shop quote to repair at 1300, but was able to order the pulley system parts and fix/paint the bumper myself for about 300 bucks total. I'll take that trade off versus a totaled econobox any day of the week, not to mention zero health issues for the wife.
as well. The bottom line is that a solid truck frame and steel body is going to win over most modern vehicles that are designed to crush on impact. Not to mention that 9 times out of 10, being higher up is an advantage. Most accidents are not catastrophic roll overs going off the road. And in a standard fender bender, I want to be in the big steel box with a heavy duty truck frame.As an example, the wife was stopped at a light driving the 100 last year. The car in front of her stalled and didn't go when the light was green. She was in the middle lane, and cars on both sides started to move and go. The young girl behind her was probably sitting on her phone distracted and texting, when she saw the vehicles to either side of her moving along at a good clip. She gunned it thinking she was going to be blocking traffic and rammed right into the back of the 100 probably at about 10-15 mph.
She was driving some econo box nissan something or other. When I got to the scene and surveyed the damage, it was pretty astounding. The girl went UNDERNEATH the rear bumper, impacted the spare tire, ripped it off the pulley system, and submarined the front of her vehicle under the rear end of the 100. After pulling the spare tire from the road and checking underneath, there was zero damage to the truck other then a small dent in the plastic rear bumper fascia and some paint damage, and of course the spare tire pulley system was ripped and would need to be replaced. Her car was most likely a total, given the year/car value and the amount of front end damage. The wife wasn't even initially sure that she had been hit, until she got out of the car!
Now that is safety and why we drive a overbuilt 100! End result of the accident is that I got a body shop quote to repair at 1300, but was able to order the pulley system parts and fix/paint the bumper myself for about 300 bucks total. I'll take that trade off versus a totaled econobox any day of the week, not to mention zero health issues for the wife.
I own a '73 FJ40 and my '00 LX470. I went to two Land Cruisers after I realized that I couldn't make my 80-series do everything I wanted it to do. Now I have the Lexus for my DD and camping. The 40 takes care of my hard core wheeling and summer cruising around town. Personally, I would like to add another one to the fleet but it wouldn't serve a purpose. However, I couldn't go back to only one Cruiser. The LX470 is a perfect all-around vehicle except for the fuel mileage... But then again, that's why my wife has a Mini Cooper S.