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I just wasn't on here to tell you all about the new Dacia Sandero!!! 
OT - Today's Classics
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Truth be told I'd own one just to put this sticker on it.
"Without going all in show car crazy, but building a very nice daily driver you can have the coolest new old car in town for say $40-70K depending how deep you go. What does that same money get you on the new car market? How long will it last?"
I think this is dead on. I am middle of Gen x.
A 60 or 80 with LS power train is hard to beat. I drive a 100 and pretend to have a classic. ;<)
Also, an older e30 with updated motor or older 911 with updated motor would fun as a second car. Full sleeper mode on!
I think this is dead on. I am middle of Gen x.
A 60 or 80 with LS power train is hard to beat. I drive a 100 and pretend to have a classic. ;<)
Also, an older e30 with updated motor or older 911 with updated motor would fun as a second car. Full sleeper mode on!
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I plan on building my own rapidly depreciating "classic" style car. A Lotus 7 based platform with an LS motor. Brunton Mega Stalker.... to be precise. I won't make a dime on it, but I'll be blasting my way through rear tires like a madman.
This is my 50 year old man car... so a few years to go.
This is my 50 year old man car... so a few years to go.
This is a matter of perspective: I suspect since you weren't even alive when some of those classic muscle cars came out, you are unaware of the perception of them when they were new. I guarantee you, when cars like the GTO, some of the Chevelles, Vette, Hemi 'Cuda, Mustang, Camaro etc etc came out - people knew they would be collectibles. I was but a wee lad when some of these came out, but distinctly remember family and friends coveting them not just for perceived performance, but for long-term value. I know people who specifically bought them as Sunday drivers and in some cases still own them.
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Whodathunk cars like the Supra, 240SX, Si would be coveted and appreciating in value? When I think if there are any modestly-priced new cars that could be collectible, my eyes drift toward Japan: the WRX, WRX STi, and even the BRZ/FT86 if unmolested and put in a climate-controlled facility all have the potential. Well under $50k, small lightweight awd/rwd and fun to drive.
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yeah I hoped my bugeye in perfect unmolested condition would be collectible one day. Then someone sideswiped it, and it was salvaged... and I've been modding it ever since. 
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Well, here's the answer: an EVO.
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Yeah I wasn't alive but all my friends parents were who were the ones that got me into muscle cars in the first place. Sure some of them were born collectibles, COPO, Baldwin Motion, BOSS, super lark, drag packs, track packs, Hursts, various dealer made machines, Stage 1s, Stage 2s, etc.....
Even some of those though didn't start to really take off in value until the late 90's early 00's. Sure people knew they were going to be "classics" as just about any car over 30 years is technically a classic, but no one knew the kind of money they would bring in today's market. No one could have guessed an original HEMI Cuda would bring over 1million dollars in an auction. Hell I bought a Stage 1 Buick for 4k in the 90's and sold it for about the same after I fixed a few things wrong with it. My friends parents can't believe today what some of the cars they used to own are worth now. Most of them still have at least one muscle car so they are happy about that though.
The only USDM Japanese car of the 90s to actually appreciate value, that i've seen, is the supra. they sometimes do sell for more than they were brand new 45k but normally they are highly modified. In Japanese cars from the 80's onward the value is pumped up by total mods done not restored. I can still find 300ZX's 240SX's, etc for way under what they cost brand new. Even rare models like the all trac celica and awd mazdas don't cost anything on the used market compared to what they were brand new. Some may go up in value i'm sure the NSX new and old and the GTR may start to get priced higher than their as new price, but to me that will take a while. And both cost way more than the 50k point. But as more "bros" put their cars into ditches and trees the subies will start to get rarer so I could see a low mile STI that is unmolested (if there is such a thing lol) could start to creep. I'd love one, personally for me it is the best sounding "performance" asian car due to the boxer engine that and i've been a huge WRC fan since I was about 5 when I first watched some with my Grandpa. I'm still going to stay with my guess of dealer special edition mustangs being the best choice. Time will tell if i'm wrong though. For a strict Asian car perspective I would actually, lord help me, get the new Civic Type R... at 33k it is under the 50k mark and I heard that numbers are limited and they aren't going to do it in the US for many years. Problem with that choice is dealers are inflating the prices to over 60k in most places.
But yeah this is all my perception and also in the past could have had a lot to do with where each of us lived in the US when we were younger. There was a glut of performance cars, US, EU, JP around when I was growing up, hell there were plenty of junk yards that catered to the more high performace muscle cars... there was a time in the 90's when you could walk in there and find cobra jets and LS6's as well as bodies of rarer muscle cars.... those are long gone now though as when the bubble started to build in the late 90's and investor bought the place and made a ton of money over the next 5 years when he held on to them and then sold of the inventory.
Having never lived in OHIO or north of there on the east coast I can only assume that cars in good condition did get a premium attached to them especially if they were rust free.
These days with the internet prices seem to average around the same nation wide just because it is very easy to search and find cars in the SW from Maine if someone is looking for a rust free car in good condition.
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The two cars I always remember test driving used back in the '90s. 1988 M3 ($12k) and a 1982 911SC ($15k). They had higher miles but all maintenance. I really liked both of them. I was so close to buying that M3.
those e30 m3's were awesome.... an e30 with an LS swap would be heaven.
always wanted the 1st gen M5
the early 90's m3's are starting to grow on me also at this point, never thought they would.
Did we ever get the cosworth tuned WRX over here? i'm sure that thing is going to go up in value just like anything they touch
always wanted the 1st gen M5
the early 90's m3's are starting to grow on me also at this point, never thought they would.
Did we ever get the cosworth tuned WRX over here? i'm sure that thing is going to go up in value just like anything they touch
May be a little niche, but perhaps the Guilia...
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I tend to agree - and from what I hear just like the old alfas, this new one is a disaster reliability wise...
hahaha... just realized a friend of mine just wrote an article on the Guilia.... and it's problems:
http://jalopnik.com/here-are-all-the-problems-that-fca-has-attempted-to-fix-1797069082
But at least Alfa is handling it well:
"The fix seems more backyard mechanic than engineer, as it requires securing a grommet on the harness by wrapping tape on each side of it so it is built up enough to prevent it from sliding down the harness then using a zip-tie to secure the harness to the brake caliper bracket."
hahaha... just realized a friend of mine just wrote an article on the Guilia.... and it's problems:
http://jalopnik.com/here-are-all-the-problems-that-fca-has-attempted-to-fix-1797069082
But at least Alfa is handling it well:
"The fix seems more backyard mechanic than engineer, as it requires securing a grommet on the harness by wrapping tape on each side of it so it is built up enough to prevent it from sliding down the harness then using a zip-tie to secure the harness to the brake caliper bracket."
I'm considering (though not yet totally seriously) picking one one up.
The LX and the wife's runner are as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar. I could probably tolerate a sexy temperamental Italian as car #4.
I suspect, with the issues they're having, initial depreciation will be a skydive. I'd love to snag a 2 year old quatrofoglio at a deep discount....we'll see.
Cayman, get a nice used Cayman for summer driving, or Boxster. I like the cayman lines better. Will put a smile on your face every day and are affordable now. Perfect balance, light clutch, amazing sound, surprising space inside.
I met a guy last week Ata vineyard. Showed me pics of his 1980 z28. Original owner from new, had 14000 orig miles. impressive to rarely drive it
My first car was a 80 Z28.