Wanted Om617, Alh, 1kz, 3b etc BC canada

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Bassie

Bassie

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I'm picking up a 1984 pickup this week. Good frame and cab but the 22r and w56 are average at best. Looking into getting a diesel swap. I have had a look around but suitable engines are hard to come by through the regular channels. Looking to build the truck for moderate offroading but mainly for road trip exploring and long trips on Forrest service roads.

Anyone have anything suitable laying around? Im located in whistler bc don't mind driving a couple of hours for the right engine/trans

Any leads or advice is most welcome as well!

Thanks
 
The OM617 swap is a good choice, and it's a more solid platform than the 1KZT engines which are prone to cylinder head problems. In my experience, I'd say that 1KZTEs are worth staying away from as they will also have ECU,and pump issues. As these ECUs are getting quite old and become problematic as the circuits age (notably capacitors). The pumps can be rebuilt, but the results can be rather mixed... as most shops do not have the equipment to calibrate them properly.

The engine room in the pick up may be a bit on the short side of things for the OM617, so check your spacing carefully. I'd expect you may have to use an electric cooling fan set up to save on space... check what others have done here via your friends at google.

I have a buddy in Kamloops who's done quite a lot of work with swapping the 617 into a Jeep TJ which uses an Aisin made transmission. He has lots of experience messing with these engines, and from my experience working with him on aspects of this particular project, I think the MB engine is far superior in construction and engineering to the Toyota product.

Another benefit of the OM617 is that it can be tuned up like crazy, and you can get all kinds of power out of them quite reliably.

I can PM you his contact info, though he is out of town right now.

The 3B would be a really difficult squeeze - it's fairly heavy, tall, and a bit too long for a pick up... and you'd have to get quite creative with drivetrain length to get the shifters to come out in an acceptable location.

~John
 
Radd Cruisers said:
The OM617 swap is a good choice, and it's a more solid platform than the 1KZT engines which are prone to cylinder head problems. In my experience, I'd say that 1KZTEs are worth staying away from as they will also have ECU,and pump issues. As these ECUs are getting quite old and become problematic as the circuits age (notably capacitors). The pumps can be rebuilt, but the results can be rather mixed... as most shops do not have the equipment to calibrate them properly.

The engine room in the pick up may be a bit on the short side of things for the OM617, so check your spacing carefully. I'd expect you may have to use an electric cooling fan set up to save on space... check what others have done here via your friends at google.

I have a buddy in Kamloops who's done quite a lot of work with swapping the 617 into a Jeep TJ which uses an Aisin made transmission. He has lots of experience messing with these engines, and from my experience working with him on aspects of this particular project, I think the MB engine is far superior in construction and engineering to the Toyota product.

Another benefit of the OM617 is that it can be tuned up like crazy, and you can get all kinds of power out of them quite reliably.

I can PM you his contact info, though he is out of town right now.

The 3B would be a really difficult squeeze - it's fairly heavy, tall, and a bit too long for a pick up... and you'd have to get quite creative with drivetrain length to get the shifters to come out in an acceptable location.

~John
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I'd love your buddies contact info yes, also no rush I'm not expecting this to be a quick job anyway. I've owned both a 2lte and a 1kzte the 1kz is more reliable than the 2lte and with a 3" down pipe from the turbo, and cooling maintenance the head cracking issues should be able to be kept in check. But regardless they are very hard to source here in Canada and will out you down 5k before you even start building. Both the 1.9tdi and the om617 are solid engines. I'm leaning towards the om617 for it being mechanical and a bit more displacement. Might go better with a R-series box/Tcase if there's adapters.
 
The TDis are also excellent. I have a Jetta with an ALH engine, and it's been tuned up a little... it's really got some great torque, and the electronic pump is great! I'm aware that wiring the thing in will be somewhat time consuming, however.

I'll PM you with his contact info.

~John
 
Sweet I just got a ALH jetta too as a Daily driver while I sort out this project. absolutely love it. the older 1Z / AHU Tdi's should be a bit easier for a conversion I reckon
 
I love the 3B but only to keep a vehicle stock would I choose it over other engines. I wouldn't swap any other engine into my bj40 for instance. If your starting from scratch you have so many engines go choose from.

My brother in law has an alh in his 96 toy pickup. Hard to beat 3rd gear rubber and 8l/100k. Plentyful, effecient and good power potential. Tons of aftermarket support. These guys sell adaptors and are in BC

Diesel conversions kits and parts for TDI to Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Ford and GM
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gerg said:
I love the 3B but only to keep a vehicle stock would I choose it over other engines. I wouldn't swap any other engine into my bj40 for instance. If your starting from scratch you have so many engines go choose from.

My brother in law has an alh in his 96 toy pickup. Hard to beat 3rd gear rubber and 8l/100k. Plentyful, effecient and good power potential. Tons of aftermarket support. These guys sell adaptors and are in BC

Diesel conversions kits and parts for TDI to Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Ford and GM
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Thanks for the info, I've had a Look at their site very useful parts. what gearbox is your brother in law using the W56 or a R series?
 
I thought about upgrading to a R series box while Im at it. just wondering how that will work with the bell housing. most r series have a v6 bell housing. or do they make adapters to match 4 cyl's to v6 bellhousings?
 
Hmm, now that I'm not sure. I think he got his from diesel adaptors originally, I can ask him. If the r tranny doesn't bolt to the 4 cylinder then that would be a bummer. Could always call those Errington folks and ask. Probably some thing they've dealt with alot before. I mean V6 pickup is way more common than the 4cyl nowadays.
 
Thanks its good information anyway, ive done some searching around. could only find adapters TDI > w56/g58 om617 has both adapters for w56 and r150F as far as I can tell
 
OM606 and forget everything else. It's simply the best older diesel in the 3L displacement range. Basically as bulletproof as the 617 with much more power and much more power capacity with the right turbo and larger pump.

I've owned a 1KZ-TE powered truck (which I swapped myself) and it's also a great little motor. I never had problems but I also built the engine brand new from a bare block.
 
anothernord said:
OM606 and forget everything else. It's simply the best older diesel in the 3L displacement range. Basically as bulletproof as the 617 with much more power and much more power capacity with the right turbo and larger pump.

I've owned a 1KZ-TE powered truck (which I swapped myself) and it's also a great little motor. I never had problems but I also built the engine brand new from a bare block.
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OM606 is a 6 cylinder is it not? how long is the engine? The 84 second gen doesn't have much engine space. I believe people tend to put the om606 in T100's and cruisers which have quite a bit more room, correct me if I'm wrong though

Just looked at your build looks super clean, good job on that
 
Bassie said:
OM606 is a 6 cylinder is it not? how long is the engine? The 84 second gen doesn't have much engine space. I believe people tend to put the om606 in T100's and cruisers which have quite a bit more room, correct me if I'm wrong though

Just looked at your build looks super clean, good job on that
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Thank you. The 606 is a fairly long engine indeed (straight 6). But it's quite a bit shorter than the 1FZ-FE (land cruiser motor), probably around 4". It's lighter too.
 
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