OEM Land Cruiser suspension & Heritage Land Cruiser suspension differences? (2 Viewers)

[jbyrd78]

Found a guy local to me, selling a set of both OEM & Heritage Land Cruiser suspension & stock UCA's for dirt cheap. I was curious if someone could explain the height and ride quality differences between the OEM & Heritage Land Cruiser suspension? Both sets have less than 50 miles on the suspension.
Supposedly the stock suspension on each of these vehicles, was removed by Ed Martin Toyota in Noblesville, IN so that aftermarket suspension could be installed before the L.C's were put on the lot. The stock suspension was included with the vehicle purchase.
When I asked the guy what the differences between the two sets were, he said he really wasn't sure, other than he thinks the Heritage suspension is 1 inch taller on the front and rear compared to the stock suspension.
Would I really be gaining anything picking one suspension set over the other if I wanted to buy a set?

 

[JcrewLC]

I don’t think there’s any difference between the two

 

[lx200inAR]

Pretty sure the rear springs are different, or at least could be depending on if the LC was a 2 row or 3 row. Anecdotally most people say the HE sits a little higher. You might see if there are front strut spacers on either set as well. I would guess the shocks and UCAs for both sets are probably the same.

 

[jbyrd78]

Pretty sure the rear springs are different, or at least could be depending on if the LC was a 2 row or 3 row. Anecdotally most people say the HE sits a little higher. You might see if there are front strut spacers on either set as well. I would guess the shocks and UCAs for both sets are probably the same.

Yeah the only thread I could find on suspension differences said the same about the rear springs, but didn't mention anything about the front. I also remember reading that the Heritage rear springs were softer and not as thick as the stock rear 200 series springs.
As far as front spacers go, I already have a set installed on my current suspension setup, so I'm good there.

Either way, I think $300 for a full stock suspension set, that includes all new, springs, struts, uca's, nuts, washers, strut coil overs and rubber bushings with less than 50 miles on it, vs. my 133,000 suspension setup is not a bad deal lol. I originally wanted to get Tough Dog suspension, but from what I understand, it's hard to get that brand into the country right now.
Ironman FCP suspension with a 1" inch lift, was the next contender, but Eric at Ed Martin told me to keep in mind that if I go the aftermarket suspension route, I'm going to lose my ride quality and comfortably that I currently have.
After hearing that, and thinking about it, I just decided to stay stock with the front spacers. I don't wheel and all that jazz, I just use my 200 for DD highway driving, and I drive a 2hr round trip drive to work, so the smoother the ride, the better.

 

[bloc]

That is a great deal. And yes the front suspension is the same as a base model. The front wasn’t taller, but people did observe the rear tended to sit about 3/4” taller than a stock base model.

2020 HE rear springs appear to be a lower spring rate than US base model springs, probably because there is no third row. Definitely a smaller diameter wire, can’t remember whether the number of wraps was the same.. this is important to total spring rate. At the time I didn’t have access to 2020 part numbers to see whether there were ROW trucks with the same springs to compare common features. I also haven’t gotten into what 2021 3-row HE rigs came with.

Whether HE rear springs would work in your truck will depend on your setup. Most people building out HEs ditched the stock springs anyway.. so between that and the limited production numbers not much feedback on how they handle load compared to a base.. but even a base is marginal when loaded up.

 

[CharlieS]

Not a bad deal. For $300 and a little of your time, you'll have a like new ride. Whatever minor difference can't be much, and if you want, just keep your own 133k mile rear springs, or replace them with something else to your liking. The rear springs are the easiest part of the suspension to swap around.

 

[studawg]

Heritage rear springs are definitely different, they have a different part number. Everything else is the same as far as I know. Front springs have the same part number.

 

[Lion2008]

I used a 2021 LC Heritage suspension that was also swapped with only 500 miles on it. All the part numbers were the same as the ones found in my 2008 LC. One thing to notice is the color of the 2 painted lines (blue and purple) on the rear springs. I installed the front struts OEM spacers and the car is level now. ~20 inches from center hub to wheel well fender at front and 20.5 inches for the rear axle. I have removed the 3rd row seats. I have a winch mounted on a TT hidden winch mount. Also, I have ARB skid plates.

Note: I have seen pictures of the rear springs with different color of paints (orange). Maybe those springs are different. I added a screenshot from another post too

 

[Sinister]

Damn 300 bucks for a new stock set up?? That’s awesome.

 

[bloc]

I used a 2021 LC Heritage suspension that was also swapped with only 500 miles on it. All the part numbers were the same as the ones found in my 2008 LC. One thing to notice is the color of the 2 painted lines (blue and purple) on the rear springs. I installed the front struts OEM spacers and the car is level now. ~20 inches from center hub to wheel well fender at front and 20.5 inches for the rear axle. I have removed the 3rd row seats. I have a winch mounted on a TT hidden winch mount. Also, I have ARB skid plates.

Note: I have seen pictures of the rear springs with different color of paints (orange). Maybe those springs are different. I added a screenshot from another post too

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You’re saying the 21 heritage rear spring part numbers were the same as your 08?

 

[bloc]

2020 LC rear coils show some notations that don't make much sense. I don't see an explicit listing for "heritage" but..
Right hand rear, 48231-60A20 no footnote. Also shows 48231-60E50 with the footnote "URBAN STYLE/TRD-PACKAGE(20*IN)"

Left rear 48231-60B11, and 48231-60E40 respectively.

I don't have access to the 2021 numbers

 

[Lion2008]

You’re saying the 21 heritage rear spring part numbers were the same as your 08?

I did not have the part numbers for the 2008 springs and I do not know the spring numbers for the 2021 Heritage. Everything else ACA, front struts, shocks front and rear were the same numbers when compared to the 2021 heritage numbers.

 

[bloc]

I did not have the part numbers for the 2008 springs and I do not know the spring numbers for the 2021 Heritage. Everything else ACA, front struts, shocks front and rear were the same numbers when compared to the 2021 heritage numbers.

Ah, ok.

 

[asbury]

The rear of an HE definitely sits higher than stock. I put the oem spacer in the front on my ‘21 and still have a decent rake.

 

[bloc]

The rear of an HE definitely sits higher than stock. I put the oem spacer in the front on my ‘21 and still have a decent rake.

2-row or 3?

 

[MikeVpdx503]

FWIW, I have a 2013 with 85K miles on stock suspension. With 3rd row removed and OEM front strut spacer, I still have ~1” rake.

 

[jbyrd78]

That is a great deal. And yes the front suspension is the same as a base model. The front wasn’t taller, but people did observe the rear tended to sit about 3/4” taller than a stock base model.

2020 HE rear springs appear to be a lower spring rate than US base model springs, probably because there is no third row. Definitely a smaller diameter wire, can’t remember whether the number of wraps was the same.. this is important to total spring rate. At the time I didn’t have access to 2020 part numbers to see whether there were ROW trucks with the same springs to compare common features. I also haven’t gotten into what 2021 3-row HE rigs came with.

Whether HE rear springs would work in your truck will depend on your setup. Most people building out HEs ditched the stock springs anyway.. so between that and the limited production numbers not much feedback on how they handle load compared to a base.. but even a base is marginal when loaded up.

Yeah I'm not going to complain about the $300 price. I priced everything individually if I bought it from Toyota and that price, I would just go with an Ironman setup. I think I'm just going to stick with the stock L.C. suspension & uca's he is offering due to the slightly heavier spring load the rear springs have. I removed my 3rd row last summer, but from time to time, I have guitar amps that I throw in there and transport. So that little advantage from the springs should help out.

I'm curious, if anyone knows. So my current suspension is the original setup that came on the vehicle. I'm at 133k. When I install this new setup that only has 5 miles on it, will I be at a higher stance?

 

[jbyrd78]

Damn 300 bucks for a new stock set up?? That’s awesome.

Yeah I'm complain about it.

 

[jbyrd78]

Just got back from picking all this up. $300 well spent! Heck, one UCA alone costs what I paid for everything in the picture. Now it's time for some fun

Can anyone tell me which spring and shock go to what side by looking at the painted dots on the coils?
By chance does anyone know the part numbers for the rear shock bushing's and the cushion retainers I will need for the top rear shocks?

 

[CharlieS]

Just got back from picking all this up. $300 well spent! Heck, one UCA alone costs what I paid for everything in the picture. Now it's time for some fun

Can anyone tell me which spring and shock go to what side by looking at the painted dots on the coils?
By chance does anyone know the part numbers for the rear shock bushing's and the cushion retainers I will need for the top rear shocks?

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Longer rear spring goes on the gas tank (passenger) side in the US. Fronts don't have any difference side to side. You can reuse bump stops, etc. Hardware is cheap.