Observations from working on a 270,000 '93 model (1 Viewer)

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My Bro in law has been visiting here with his wife and daughter. He drove his '93 Cruiser and we've done some work together on it while he was here. Nothing needed, really - they're in the middle of a cross country trip but he asked me to look it over and then we'd fix what I found since he's here for a while and we had plenty of time.

First off, here's an observation I almost, almost hate to fess up to. I've driven this high mileage beast many times over the years, and also over the last few weeks here and the dang thing is actually indistinguishable to mine from a feel perspective. Understand how that pains me to say because mine has almost exactly half the miles and you all know mine's been used like a Cruiser but pampered to the nines from a mechanical perspective (synthetics, constant attention from my wrench, OEM everything, blah blah). Yes, my gears are all a tad quieter, but....that's it. His actually has better tranny shift quality than mine and his stops with markedly less brake pressure. His actually rides smoother (a complete mystery as we both have recent shocks). It idles perfecty smooth, all the gauges and switches work, all the electric windows, locks and such work, no rattles, dead silent, etc. He's owned it since new also, and has taken average care of it with a few periods of neglect.

Here's what I found when I looked it over:

Bent antenna mast
PHH was original (!) as were ALL other hoses (!!)
Corrugated rubber intake tube cracked (suddenly idled poorly last month after a quick change lube place kid checked his air cleaner when he'd asked them to touch nothing).
Couple switch bulbs out, and a few other minor bulbs
Coolant old
Original spark plug wires
2 qts low on tranny fluid (no leaks, just underfilled along the way)
Original PCV valve
Filthy air filter
Completely original exhaust

So we called CDan (thanks for the prompt service, Dan!) and ordered an antenna mast, bulbs, intake tube, PCV valve/grommet, air filter, and new floor mats (his driver's was worn clear through). Everything went on fine, but I got busy and we put off the PHH and PCV valve until today.

Wow, his PHH was a true pain in the ass. The hose clamp next to the block on his was pointed at the 3 0'clock position and was exquisitely placed to elude my pliers. I tried literally every pair of pliers and clamping/prying device I own. I was reduced to jamming a 40 year old brake adjuster in to hook it (didn't work), getting the LandCruiser's toolkit pliers out to see if they'd give that smidgeon better angle (nope), and even tried the chintzy pliers out of my fishing tacklebox (almost, but nope). Finally, I cut off the portion of the PHH away from the block, and it gave me that elusive smidgeon of better angle so I could get to the clamp. Slapped on a chunk of the NAPA green silicone.

Then the PCV. Developed a technique that worked perfectly. Take vice grips and grip them firmly on the PCV's metal nipple. Lay the vice grips down on the nearby engine lift eye. Place a length of metal pipe over the vice grip handle for greater leverage and pry VERY hard while just slightly wiggling back and forth. Using the lift eye like this gave tremendous leverage and force and it came out in 5 seconds. The best part? The grommet came out all at once! That thing was so hard, it literally felt like hard plastic. It cracked in a couple places, but I think because it was pulled out uniformly there was no tendancy to crumble it with lateral force. It crumbled easily in our hands. Kinda like pulling a weed perfectly straight up and all the roots come out unexpectedly, ya know? Anyhow, I was expecting a war with that thing. Slapped the new grommet in, spit on the PCV and wiggled it back in with less than 60 seconds elapsed. That felt so good I literally started looking around for something else to do under the hood, startled that I had it done with so much time left. I listened to the bearings in the engine, the A/C compressor, the alternator, and the PS pump with a metal rod. Could hear nothing going, except the alternator was a tad loud and might be the next item. Remarkable.

This truck is living proof of what service a LandCruiser can provide. More importantly, I wish many of you with "issues" like vibration and the like were there to take it for a spin. If you have something like that wrong with your 80, don't just pass it off as the symptoms of an aging vehicle and put up with it until the truck dies, because the rest of it's not going to die. This truck has been neglected for some of its life, yet it runs as smooth as mine. So if there's a problem - fix it secure in the knowledge that you'll be rewarded with quiet undemanding service for 400,000 miles or more and a vehicle that's a joy to own and drive.

Regards,

DougM
 
IdahoDoug- nice data point! You say this truck was neglected for some of its life- at what mileage(s) has the truck had birf jobs? How often has the coolant been changed?
 
Yes- please tell info on birf jobs.
 
Posts like this are only going to drive the used prices up.

I still want to buy a few more before they become "noticed" by the average consumer.

Thanks for the post, it's nice to make comparisons.
 
Thanks ID, as mentioned already, another good data point. However, in a way its a mix of encouraging and discouraging at the same time; encouraging that this vehicle is so reliable and so durable, discouraging to

anal-retentive-over-anal-ytical-maintenance minded ...

mofos like me who think that if they take all proper preventative maintenance to the extreme we might get something like say 270K miles on our rigs!!! Sheesh, this will put me in a powerful pondering for many moons!!! Still I would rather want it the way it is!!! Thanks again.
 
That's it, I'm going back to Dino oil for everything :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
 
I've got 254,000 miles on my 80 with I think about the same kinda maintenance you describe.

Original pcv, phh, and all other hoses except the intake tube. It cracked and was replaced before I got it.

I've replaced spark plug wires, belts, rebuilt the starter and replaced the birfs with newfields (I didn't know, alright) because at 165.000 when I bought it they were clicking in everyday driving.

I know mine has been through some serious stages of neglect, some might argue it's till being neglected, and I expect to get many, many more miles out of it before I have to rebuild something major. I do have quite a few rattles that are results of PO interior parts breakage. My brakes need to be done again too, but, brakes are supposed to wear out.

It just doesn't show any signs of slowing.
 
Tooth Fairy- I've got the same questions for you: at what mileage(s) did you do your birfs and how often have you changed the coolant?
 
IdahoDoug, it's cause your brother drives it like a woman would :flipoff2: Glad his trip is going well.
 
alaskacruiser said:
Tooth Fairy- I've got the same questions for you: at what mileage(s) did you do your birfs and how often have you changed the coolant?

I'm not Tooth, but I replaced my birfs @ 242,000 for the first time and one seal was good (PS) and the other leaking (DS).

Just trying to help out.
 
>> replaced my birfs @ 242,000 <<

Replaced or repacked?

-B-
 
alaskacruiser said:
Tooth Fairy- I've got the same questions for you: at what mileage(s) did you do your birfs and how often have you changed the coolant?

Mine were clicking when I bought it at around 165.000. I lived with them for about 30,000 and then replaced them. I wasn't on the forum at the time and was fooled by the lower price of the newfields. Now it only clicks with the CDL locked. :mad:

I wished I would've at least kept my cores as spares.
 
Beowulf said:
>> replaced my birfs @ 242,000 <<

Replaced or repacked?

-B-

Repacked and bearings/seals replaced....... so yes, replaced sort of! :)
 
lurker- how about coolant changes? How often did you do those (mileage / time)?
 
alaskacruiser said:
lurker- how about coolant changes? How often did you do those (mileage / time)?

I got my LC at about 230k something miles so I've only put ~16k on the last 4 months.

That being said and with the PO maintance records, it seems like there were 3 coolent canges, somewhere red was changed for green (probably the 1st). There is no grey sluge and my PHH was IMO 1/2 way dead. I went ahead and had all of the heater hoses that where easy to get to (9) changed out. Only 1 of them would I consided necessary, no it was not the PHH either.

Opinion on this forum is to change/flush out the coolent every 1 - 2 years, but they (at least the way I read it) is if you have a 96 or greater, but that's just my opinion.

Ask others if this applys to you (=>96).

If you have a lot of free time on your hands maintain everything till tip-top, if not, try your best but don't lose any sleep over it.
 
Junk,

This is my Brother IN LAW, not my bro here on the forum. Though they both DO drive them like girlie-men.

I have little input on the birf repack or coolant history. I know the birfs were repacked incorrectly once around 200k, then again correctly around 220. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the coolant was changed out 3 times and the green was used each time. He also trashed a front differential by driving it about 20,000 miles with very low diff oil due to the first repack (mechanic didn't know about or replace the inner axle seal like 50% or so of the 80s repacked these days).

DougM
 
Well, my bro in law now lives here in our neighborhood (dang Californians..) so his Cruiser will be a regular part of my posts. It's now got 288,000 miles and the radiator began leaking from the rubber seal that joins the plastic top cap AND the one joining the lower cap as well. Since I had a spare from putting a new one in my 97 last month, we ordered hoses/thermostat from Cdan and slapped it in yesterday. The old one had no evidence of grey sludge looking in the rad cap hole, but had an inch or so of grey slime where the upper hose connects to the block. Went smoothly and used the trick again I learned here of simply loosening the A/C condensor a bit to access the rad upper bolts. Then asked him when the spark plugs had last been changed. Shrug. Pulled one out and it was incredibly worn, with white deposits on it and a gap very close to twice the spec. Amazing since it idled and ran quite well. So he took one of our 80s to NAPA and came back with the NGKs for $12 and I put them in as well as replaced his original plug wires with the ones I'd taken out of mine at 120k or so.

Once they get fully moved in here, we'll go over the truck more carefully and see if it needs anything else tended to. My bet is the rear wheel bearings have NEVER been repacked - any takers? I'm also going to read through his receipts and such out of curiousity.

DougM
 
I really enjoy reading about your brother in law's truck. Crazy, huh?

I guess if we aren't out working on ours, we like to read about what other folks are doing to theirs.

Sick puppies, all of us :)

Especially inspiring though to read about the high-milers....I hope to be one some day.

Keep us "posted" on this old beast, ok?
 

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