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Hi Gang,

Just bought a 100 and need some education on the OBII (my first foray into this world).

Specifically, looking at both the Teachstream and another like item "OBD-2 Secret Weapon" as seen at http://www.autodiagnosticsandpublishing.com/obd_2_auto_repair_software.html

So, as I understand it, if either is paired up with a scanner (or cable for toyota tis), they provide more information and methodology as to how to repair the fault, correct?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Note: This is cross posted on the Electric toys forum.

Thanks!
 
You probably don't want to hear it, but... SEARCH. This topic is well-documented. Techstream is far more robust than basic ODBII. ODBII tools will let you view DTCs, but limited in functionality beyond that. If you want the ability to read all vehicle ECU data, reprogram, reflash, modify CBEST, you'll need a legit copy of Techstream and Drew Tech Mongoose Pro MFC for Toyota/Lexus/Scion and the addition of an active professional subscription to TIS.

That said, I have Techstream running on an i3 SP3, bought for just this purpose last year and the Drew Tech cable. At a tad over $1k, this make-shift "Techstream Lite" nearly already paid for itself in what it would have cost me to have the same work done by a shop. Atop that, I own it, can take it anywhere and use on any Toyota/Lexus/Scion AND any other ODBII compliant vehicle.

Lastly, beware the knockoff Chinese/eBay/Amazon sub-$30 cables. They'll get you only slightly better than basic ODBII, but unreliably and still not as comprehensive as the legit kit. Again, research, educate yourself on the options out there and what will work for your use case. I chose to invest in quality.

EDIT: Links for reference >>

https://techinfo.toyota.com

NASTF: where techs & OEMs connect - National Automotive Service Task Force

Drew Technologies : Introduction
 
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HI lexus land cruiser, and thanks for the response.

Well, I did do the search (here and expo-portal), but there was a lot of noise (trees from the forest, etc.).

Regarding techstream: 1) you are running on an i3, right? Doesn't that indicate a higher level OS than XP? I thought I read that techstream runs best on XP. Maybe windows 7 as well but nothing higher. 2) when it reads a fault, does it connect to schematics as well a step by step trouble shooting and part replacement, including part numbers? Again, did the skim reading but tough to find the trees.

So I also take it that "OBD-2 Secret Weapon" was a no-go for you.

Thanks and again this is my first exposure to the OBII world.
 
I fully empathize with you. I was in your exact position last year. I'm more than happy to help. Here goes:

Regarding techstream: 1) you are running on an i3, right? Doesn't that indicate a higher level OS than XP? I thought I read that techstream runs best on XP. Maybe windows 7 as well but nothing higher.

This system requirement to run the Techstream software versus the system requirements to guarantee compatibility with the ODB-II/CAN-BUS MFC (i.e. Mongoose Pro), has caused a lot of confusion. Per information I garnered from TIS support, the system requirements for Techstream are as stated on their site (https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf...nfo/html/prelogin/docs/tslfaqtinfo.pdf#page=8). Any flavor of Windows from XP to 8.1, 32bit OR 64bit. BOTH ARE 100% COMPATIBLE. Furthermore, Toyota has no plans to support Windows 10 now or in the near future, so be sure to not upgrade from any of the compatible OS' if you plan to run Techstream.

Will it probably work on Win 10? I bet you Techstream would. Where you'll have problems is where it concerns the drivers required for the MFC. The official drivers for the official Drew Tech cable are CONFIRMED to work with the above system requirements for Techstream. They work in concert. However, like Toyota with Techstream, Drew Tech doesn't support Windows 10 at present.

What you see referencing Win XP is due to the proliferation of issues users of the chinese knockoff cables have, attributed to their drastically lower cost and false promises of delivering the same functionality of the official cable. They're using older emulation hardware and older drivers as a result. It's quite an undertaking to reverse engineer technical kit, so the knockoffs will always be behind the official product. That said, the $30 "mangoose" amazon/ebay/chinese cables usually come bundled with a cracked older copy of Techstream and older hacked drivers that are a product of their time. They're essentially stuck a good 5 to 10 years behind where development has moved with the legit TIS/Techstream and Drew Tech products. Caveat emptor.

2) when it reads a fault, does it connect to schematics as well a step by step trouble shooting and part replacement, including part numbers? Again, did the skim reading but tough to find the trees. Thanks and again this is my first exposure to the OBII world.

This is contingent upon a few variables. When Techstream reads a DTC, you'll have links within the software to access further diagnostic resources, be they wiring diagrams, service bulletins or repair procedures inclusive of part numbers, yes. Though, this functionality may require the active TIS professional subscription. The Techstream software really just allows for interfacing with the vehicle at the most detailed level. TIS is essentially a PDF library with schematics, procedures and general reference material. It is NOT required to have a TIS subscription to use Techstream, but it is required to access TIS and it's resources.

I spent hours upon hours downloading over 1500 PDF scans uploaded into TIS from Toyota's Technical Service Manuals. TIS allows for other value adds like "technical training" and such on how to use their products and, of course, continued updates, but I found I only needed the 2-day Pro Sub to get the software, a legit key registered to me and as many PDFs relevant to my specific vehicle for future reference. Also snagged ECU reflash files if ever I need them. I have an '04 so it's unlikely anything new will ever come down the pike for a rig 10+ years old, so I'm taken care of for now. If I ever find myself needing something in the TIS library I didn't snag the first time around or change vehicle model and year, another $55 for a 2-day Pro Sub would still be cheaper than taking it to a shop and I'd be certain it's the most updated and relevant to my product and issue.


Correct. It's far too generic/general of a tool with nowhere near the granularity and depth of Techstream/TIS. Furthermore, for $299+, you're still looking at limited functionality and questionable quality with comparison to building your own Techstream Lite setup. You don't have to spend for the Surface. Any Windows XP, 7, 8, 8.1 machine will suffice, but I wanted the portability and interface the Surface platform allows for. That said, your only real investment will be in the $495 Drew Tech cable + TIS Subscription. So you can come in cheaper than I did and still have quality, LEGAL kit with full developer support.
 
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I think there is a strong argument for techstream if you have an LX for AHC troubleshoot. If you have an LC then ODB for $10 off amazon is the ticket IMHO. I keep a reader plugged into my LC all the time. When ever I need to check codes or look at various stats it's as simple as pulling up a free app on my cell. Speak via bluetooth.
 
lexus land cruiser: good dope. just did a first read of your kind response. I suspect it will take me a few days to digest and understand.

n55luvr: I understand where you are coming from as well.

Lots to learn....

Picking up the rig tomorrow, keeping my fingers crossed that it makes it home (only 60 miles, but who knows...).

Anyway, I really appreciate both your insights and hope that I can question again as I know I will be stumped as I go deep!

Yours truly!
 
Hi Lexus Land cruiser: alrighty, I've perused the link you kindly provided as well as the entire techstream demo. Looks like a really cool tool.

I saw reference to the surface (computer), are you running the surface pro, and if so 3 or 4?

I imagine you are running Windows 10. Are you having any problems with techstream on that OS? I talked to Techstream technical help, and thought they don't support W10 (no testing on that os at this time), they said it probably would run but with unknown results.

Finally, I also noticed that Security Professional techstream option is needed for some features (like key flashing?). To use that feature, I believe one needs to be a registered locksmith. Any insight here as I was hoping to program my own keys.

As always, thank for this forum's guidance to this newbie 100 series owner!
 
I saw reference to the surface (computer), are you running the surface pro, and if so 3 or 4?

I imagine you are running Windows 10. Are you having any problems with techstream on that OS? I talked to Techstream technical help, and thought they don't support W10 (no testing on that os at this time), they said it probably would run but with unknown results.

SP3 Core i3 still running Windows 8.1. I purposely keep it on 8.1 as I see no convincing reasons to up(down)grade to Windows 10 presently. That said, despite the system requirements listed for Techstream, it's really not a resource heavy application. Though, I usually only have Techstream and a Chrome session open at any given time, though I'm sure I could have more going on without issue.

Finally, I also noticed that Security Professional techstream option is needed for some features (like key flashing?). To use that feature, I believe one needs to be a registered locksmith. Any insight here as I was hoping to program my own keys.

You don't need to be a "registered locksmith", per se. Just a registration with NASTF via ALOA certification, your time and money. I'm not a registered Security Pro as I don't yet see a need (thanks for 4 working keys, paranoid PO!), but if/when, I'm betting the process is easy enough.

As always, thank for this forum's guidance to this newbie 100 series owner!

:cheers:
 
Is there a list of things that you can do with the high-dollar cable that you can't with the knock-off's? I have the knockoff, and can check all of the ECU's, customize what settings are there (I have '00 LC, '04 LC, '03 4R, and '05 RX330). The RX recently threw a code for a wheel speed sensor. Before thinking, I cleared it, but should have hooked up the Techstream to see if it would tell me which one. If it makes other features/capabilities available, I'd spring for it. Otherwise, with some driver tweaking (links found in other threads here) the cheap-o China cable works in all the rigs listed above. Not super fast, but it works.
 
Is there a list of things that you can do with the high-dollar cable that you can't with the knock-off's? I have the knockoff, and can check all of the ECU's, customize what settings are there (I have '00 LC, '04 LC, '03 4R, and '05 RX330). The RX recently threw a code for a wheel speed sensor. Before thinking, I cleared it, but should have hooked up the Techstream to see if it would tell me which one. If it makes other features/capabilities available, I'd spring for it. Otherwise, with some driver tweaking (links found in other threads here) the cheap-o China cable works in all the rigs listed above. Not super fast, but it works.

A list? I've got the lazies at the moment as I sit down for dinner, but I may attempt to compile my findings from scattered documentation elsewhere on the interwebz. You do not have access to all ECUs with the knock off, trust that. You have access to what is available to view from what's negotiated within it's abilities, but there are some that are obscured without the real deal. At the very least, you're not able to reflash the ECU. Now, why would that not be possible without the real deal? Most likely an embedded security feature, but I did not engineer the cable nor Techstream, so that's just an educated guess.

You will, however, be able to view DTCs and the like with the knock-off if you successfully get it initialized within Techstream, though YMMV as results are inconsistent with the knock-offs.

With regards to speed of the cable/Techstream, I think it's ultimately the ECUs themselves. The architecture isn't particularly high-bandwidth or clock speed, so even when using the official cable, you'll not get a speed boost in the interface.
 
I didn't need a total list, just curious as I hadn't heard of the difference until your post. The knock off cable gets access to the Body ECU, etc. etc. that you can't access with say a BlueTooth OBD-II adapter. I think on the RX330 it checked 15 ECU's?
 
Here's what I can see on my '04 with the cheap cable, 9 ECUs.

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If I come across the specifics of the lacking functionality I'll post it up. It's been months since I dove into the specifics that prompted me to spend the money for the Drew Tech Mongoose Pro MFC2, and believe me, I'm not made of money. The differences were compelling.

What you see there is only the surface of what Techstream is capable of. As I mentioned, you won't be able to flash the ECU with the knock-off cable whereas you can with the Drew Tech Mongoose. That I can confirm. But there is additional capability that is lacking.

Will the knock-off work for some who don't need a comprehensive tool and just want to tinker with C-BEST settings and view some active ECU data? Possibly. Will it work for someone looking for a direct and thorough replacement to dealer utilized Techstream? Not without the Drew Tech cable, no.

Further reading of 86+ pages containing user experiences with all variations of cable, what works and what doesn't:

Offical TechStream software thread( settings and such) - TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum
 
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Thanks! Appreciate the insight! Seems like you've done lots of research into this. Thanks for sharing with everyone. I doubt I'll ever want to reflash my ECU, but never say never, right?
 
Let's hope none of us have to! Interestingly, I have the most recent flash dump stored locally, which is actually newer than what's on my rig! Meaning, all prior visits to official Lexus Service shops had missed this as it's been published for years. Requirement to flash is a steady power source above a certain voltage, however. My rig didn't pass muster on battery alone. Without a steady external PSU, I'm not able to flash the ECU quite yet, nor is it encouraged on battery as it could potentially "brick" your rig if it fails due to voltage flux, BUT it's there when and if ;)
 
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