New (used) 200 in the family

[Yossarian]

What would be a logical replacement for a white LC with the grey interior? Another white LC with the grey interior of course.

After almost eight years of owning the 80 we felt it was time for another vehicle with less miles. I was looking hard at 100/LX470's, but finding a low mile 06-07 was tough, several slipped through my hands. Also at least in the front range, 06-07's can still be $30k+, so moving to a 200 CPO with a warranty wasn't to far of a jump.

No mods planned yet, except maybe how to R&R the "cool box", I would rather have the storage like the LX570 has.

The 80 has been hands down one of the best vehicles I've ever owned, but I am excited to see how the V8 performs in the mountains with a full load.

 

[THEROK]

Nostalgia notwithstanding the 200 is a LOT more functional truck than the 80. No comparison. Duh. Congrats and enjoy.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm sitting outside on a nice sunny day, reading the pile of manuals that came with this thing, damn....

I'm hoping the 200 section on mud is as great a resource as the 80 section has been.

 

[THEROK]

I'm sitting outside on a nice sunny day, reading the pile of manuals that came with this thing, damn....

I'm hoping the 200 section on mud is as great a resource as the 80 section has been.

It'll take time. You won't look back is my guess. 80 drives like a jalopy in comparison.

 

[Junglejack]

What would be a logical replacement for a white LC with the grey interior? Another white LC with the grey interior of course.

After almost eight years of owning the 80 we felt it was time for another vehicle with less miles. I was looking hard at 100/LX470's, but finding a low mile 06-07 was tough, several slipped through my hands. Also at least in the front range, 06-07's can still be $30k+, so moving to a 200 CPO with a warranty wasn't to far of a jump.

No mods planned yet, except maybe how to R&R the "cool box", I would rather have the storage like the LX570 has.

The 80 has been hands down one of the best vehicles I've ever owned, but I am excited to see how the V8 performs in the mountains with a full load.

Hello,
Very nice. That has got to be a crazy change in power going from the 80 to the 200. As for posts picking up here, while most every 100 owner next vehicle preference is a 200 Series the sales numbers have remained so low that availability will be scarce with pricing reflecting that. I fear the myriad aftermarket options on tap for my 100 Series will never manifest on the 200.

To that point, I have ramped up searching for a 200 as hoping to wait a few more years for depreciation to hit seems to me a fools errand. I would rather get the color and options preferred. In addition, financing is quite simple on a new or newer 200. While this would represent the first time I would finance a car, it seems smarter than putting up $50-$75k upfront.
Best,
Jack

 

[Yossarian]

Several months later and I'm still getting to know the 200. The power, brakes, and on road handling are all better, but I can see how easy it would be to go to far and the suspension is not up to the task. With all the features in the 200 it honestly feels to nice, but that is after years in an 80 (which I still drive and enjoy).

The 200 was a CPO from a local dealer, yet within a month or so it was in for warranty work. Small stuff first. The adjustable vents on the rear of the center console were knocked out of position or track, just the adjustable part that directs airflow. It's location close to feet from the rear seat makes it an easy target. Toyota would not cover it, I understand, but a design flaw anyway, just like all the ventilation and audio controls below the vents that are unprotected. For a truck that will be used well, I don't see that holding up well over time, and the LX570 covers some of it, smart. In the end I removed the adjustable portion of the vent leaving just the horizontal slats in place. Also my glove box does not always latch closed, the small pins do not pop back out from the door on occasion. More investigation into that later, but why, it's a glove box, I shouldn't have to.

The KDSS helps on road manors tremendously , but the left rear valve started to leak. From the amount of oily dirt around the valve I think it must have been leaking for some time, but no way to prove it. The part took more than a week to get and only 1 tech at the dealer to adjust the system. Covered under warranty but at 34k miles already a failure?

I don't know how I missed it during the test drives but mine had the driveline clunk. My guess is the dealer knew about it but just lubed the driveline and punted it down the road. Replaced under warranty and all is good so far, yet a week to get the part.

A couple of weeks ago now the 200 got in a title fight with a Chevy box van, the van came into my lane passing parked cars on a narrow street. The outside mirrors on the van sticks out very far and won the fight with my mirror by a KO.

Thankfully their insurance is covering the damage even though the driver denied responsibility. The OEM mirror is $800! Not to mention that the drivers side glass was scratched badly, OEM backordered in the US. Now the FYI part, there is fluid in the mirror that is apparently caustic. I used a bungee cord to keep the broken mirror off of the door, when removing it was stuck the housing which had melted. The fluid had splattered on both left hand doors staining the paint. Neither the body shop nor I have ever seen anything like it, and now both doors are getting a repaint.

Enough for now or should I talk about the dent in the roof!

 

[MScruiser]

Geez. Sorry about your bad luck. Sounds like it was in bad shape and the dealer "punted it down the field"

 

[Yossarian]

I'd like to think I looked it over well, it did look like a new car in every way, very minimal wear. The carfax was clean and we had the entire service history from the Toyota dealers it's been to. What I think is interesting is that the dealer took care of some items and not others prior to it being offered as a CPO. I'm just glad we had the Toyota factory warranty added to 5 years and or 100.000 miles.

Should I also bring up the "slight" knocking sound when the engine is cold?

 

[MScruiser]

What dealer?

 

[Yossarian]

Stevinson

 

[bjowett]

Plenty of late model Toyota engines have a knocking noise. I believe it is piston slap.

 

[MScruiser]

I have noticed mine knock just slightly when the engine is cold.

 

[arich]

My engine knocks when cold, switch to synthetic next time and continue Mobil one. The Main KDSS valve under the drivers door was replaced under warranty for being rusted closed (couldnt open for adjustment). Good thing the truck is tall and no one can see the roof dent on your truck.

You'll learn to love that cool box on long trips!

 

[Yossarian]

Glad to hear this "knocking" is common, kind of........

From the service records I can verify that the oil was changed every 5k up to my possession. I've run synthetic in my motorcycles in the past, even had it in the 80 for a while, but it leaked so bad I went back to conventional oil.

 

[arich]

The 5.7 isn't the most refined engine. I've run synthetic in all my cars and truck for the last 25 years and never had issues. I've got about 300,000 combined miles on the three LCs I've owned and they're all very much alive.
I've searched on what Toyota is working on as the replacement for the 5.7 in the US and I come up empty. It's not direct injected and really is a dinosaur now.
Direct injection, turbo, supercharged, hybrid, diesel????? NA v8 or a supercharged v6 like the Range Rover. TT v8 like mercedes.
Does Toyota have a motor partner?

 

[arich]

Sorry. That was so off topic.

 

[Overlake]

I have zero knocking noise whatsoever in my Japan made 5.7 that's as silky smooth as my 4th generation v8 4Runner. Just pulls waaaay harder.

Afaik 2013+ come prefilled with fully synthetic engine oil from factory.

Toyota has always been conservative with their drivetrain and a big part of the reason why I love their trucks so much. I like dinosaurs.

 

[OGBeno]

Does Toyota have a motor partner?

They have designed engines and developed engine technology in partnership with Yamaha, Fuji Heavy Industries, BMW.

A majority of the engines are designed in-house in cooperation with suppliers like Toyoda Industries, Denso, Aisin.

There is significant cross-pollination between Toyota and their keiretsu companies.

 

[Yossarian]

beno, any word at the dealer level about the 5.7 engine noise, "knocking", or "piston slap"? Even the dinosaur inline 6 in the 80 makes no such noise. I'm of course concerned about long term reliability.

 

[ayaws]

Interesting on the piston slap. Are there certain years where this is more prevalent? I just went out and fired up my '13 and noticed no noticeable noise/tick on start-up. Of course the clutch-driven fan roar could have covered it up. That and it got a fresh oil change on Thursday.

Anecdotal and not really relevant but: I owned several generations of GM's 4.8L and 5.3L engines almost all of which exhibited noticeable tick/slap on cold starts. My '05 Yukon with the 5.3 had 180K of hard miles on it when I sold it. Piston slap every morning with Mobil 1 at every change and it didn't use much oil with all those miles.