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lumbee1

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SHORT STORY:
Hello. I bought BACruiser's Land Cruiser. I will post a lot and have a ton of questions.


LONG STORY:
After looking at several different 4WD options, I purchased Brandon's (BACruiser) in Mid August. I wasn't originally set on the 80, but when Brandon told me he would be selling his Land Cruiser soon (we work together) I was excited. The weeks ticked by and Brandon didn't mention the Cruiser again and the excitement slowly wore off. Besides, it was 17 years old, big, slow, and drank a LOT of gas. I didn't know much about them at all but convinced the wife we needed a 3rd 4WD vehicle for camping and backup (her Odyssey and my Maxima slip and slide at the mere sight of a mud puddle).

I spent a weekend looking at Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ's. IMO, it was the best looking JGC and the V8 option got up to 22 MPG on the hwy. I emailed a bunch of folks on Craigslist and had several hits. Stock JGC with 150K miles with unknown histories went for $4000 to $6000. After fixes, it would still need a lift kit, real tires, and a front drive shaft to make it offroad capable. The V8 was notorious for letting out the magic smoke before the 4.0L but was more powerful and fuel efficient. Out of all the emails, I was only able to meetup with one seller. From a distance, it didn't look bad. Upon closer inspection, it was a piece of s***! There were major mechanical issues with the transmission, an exhaust leak, an interior door panel that would stay on, the 4WD didn't work, there was a odd smell from the exhaust, and the seller wouldn't let me drive it more than 50 yards in his trailer park. Even when he dropped $1000 off the price, I knew it would have been a money pit.

This lead me back to the Cruiser. Sure it was 17 years old, big, slow, and drank a LOT of gas BUT it was built like a tank, the engine was just getting warmed up at 150K miles, and it was more than capable offroad. The best part is that Brandon had done the hard work for me: FOR lift kit, 35" tires, fenders removed, aftermarket stereo, new plugs, brakes bled, OME stablizer, CB, and best of all front and rear lockers. Brandon was driving it and that meant this was a turn-key purchase. I could buy it and drive it straight to Uwharrie.

Brandon brought the Cruiser to work and I got my first test drive. Climbing into the Cruiser was difficult but the seats were comfortable. The AC was questionable (belt broke) so we had to roll down the windows. What sealed the deal was when I leaned my arm on the top of the door. It was immediately comfortable and I felt like I was at home. SOLD. I confirmed that everything locked up (safely) but other than that I didn't care about any other problems. I will fix them. I must have this vehicle. Later that day, it was determined the compressor was shot. It would be 655 AC for a bit.

Soo... here I am. Jonathan Jones of Holly Springs and a proud owner of a used Cruiser. I have a wife, a 6 yr old daughter, and 3 year old son. We are looking for a beagle to add to the family. I have too many hobbies and talents and tend to do everything myself since I am just cheap. The short list: computers, linux, mountain biking, LED lights, home improvements, CAD, photography, hair cutting, home theater... I will always attempt a project myself before giving into professional help. I was a Maxima fanatic for few years but quickly accepted the limits of the platform as a performance car. I dumped my free time into mountain biking and had very expensive full-suspension XC bike. I converted to a rigid 29" SS bike and although I still love biking, I am just not into all the latest shiny bits and bling anymore.

This is my first time with a offroad vehicle of this caliber. I have seen some of the videos online and I am amazed a HEAVY vehicle like the Cruiser can lumber up some of the roughest terrain. We hope to take the Cruiser to Uwharrie and west as well as the OBX and Fort Fisher. It will spend most of its time in the driveway and come out of the weekend. I still need to replace the compressor (fourtrax has offered to help), install rock slider that Brandon and Eric built, relocate an o2 sensor, possibly install a 1" body lift, identify the shifting clunk from the front drivers side axle, cut down the rear passenger side spring some more to level out the rear, paint the roof white, paint the hood black, possibly design and build a bumper, identify and fix an oil leak, replace a seal on the rear diff, install a radio antenna, clean the rear window tracks, speedo correction gear, and build storage for the rear.

You don't have to convince me that the Cruiser will be a money pit. I already know that. But, it will also reward us with years of fun for me and the family. I can finally start hitting some of the power line trails that I have seen on the sides of the road.

Pictures of the ride:

IMG_9615 by jon_jones799, on Flickr


IMG_9589 by jon_jones799, on Flickr


IMG_9616 by jon_jones799, on Flickr
 
Welcome aboard and Nice cruiser. Brandon got a great head start on the build for you.
I really like that Blue too, dont see to many of those around. Might consider all white top and roof or play around on photoshop to see if blue white and black look like you want. Im guessing the clear coat is pealing on the hood? might just sand and respray as well. Are the springs installed correctly? are you trying to level it side to side as it sounds or front to back........ i wouldnt think you would need to cut one side spring as one is intentionally longer to counter act the cruiser lean phenomenon

just make sure those trails are legal for travel, esp sporting that sweet sticker in the back window ;)
We have a hard enough time keeping legal trails open as it is and there are fewer and fewer each year and dont want to give the club or the sport a bad image or give the opposition free ammo.

hope to see you around. bring it out to logans run if you can make it.
 
Congrats on the new cruiser! She looks beautiful. Excellent story as well :D You'll fit in just fine in this group of DIY'ers.

Hopefully you can bring her out to Logan's Run!
 
Wow, sorry to hear Brandon let this one go, but very happy to hear it's found a loving, proper home! I'm also in HS (and a linux fanboi), and have a cut-down FOR on my 80. If you need a hand, shout any time.

And as Jason mentioned, please do not hit trails unless they are legal and/or you have owner's permission to be on them. (I have to admit that trail just off Hwy 1 at the New Hill/Jordan Lake exit looks like fun!)

Welcome!!!!!
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys. Is there anywhere local that I can go?

As far as the FOR rear springs, the drivers side is 1" lower than the passenger side. The front is off by 1/4" but that doesn't bother me. The drivers side rear spring is supposed to be slightly taller than the passenger rear side to countact the Land Cruiser lean. Eric helped me pull the springs out and they measured exactly the same height. We cut 1 1/2" off the length of the top coil of the passenger side spring. Unfortunately it made no difference in the ride height. My next plan is to cut 1" off at a time from the top coil, reinstall, and measure until I get to the correct height.

Measurement centered through the axle to bottom edge of the fender.
39.5" drivers side.
40.5" passenger side.
It is easy to see the lean from the rear.

BTW, when I got the Cruiser from Brandon it was a 2-handed steerer. There was so much slop in the steering, driving required my full attention. Thanks to IH8MUD, I adjusted the steering gearbox and all is good. The slop is minimal (I still have the required 40mm of free play according to the FSM) and the severe "toe-out" feeling is gone. I can cruise with one hand now and text with the other.


J/K about the texting. IMO texting and driving is for Darwin award winners.
 
Get a set of airlift bags to fix the lean....install each bag with a seperate line.....done in 90$.....welcome to the affliction
 
You are fortunate to live near a lot of knowledgeable people who are known to be generous with their time.

If you haven't already heard, we are family friendly group so your wife and kids (and the future dog) will be welcome.

I hope to see you out on the trails soon.
 
I'd suggest trying a spacer (or trim packer in ARB lingo) on the front driver side spring. I think I used a 30mm and a 15mm stacked, and it helped quite a bit. Then being a dummy, I went ahead and worked with Jerry on an interior tire mount - for the driver side. Prior to that, mine was pretty level and I didn't have to keep cutting the pass rear spring.
 
I'd suggest trying a spacer (or trim packer in ARB lingo) on the front driver side spring. I think I used a 30mm and a 15mm stacked, and it helped quite a bit. Then being a dummy, I went ahead and worked with Jerry on an interior tire mount - for the driver side. Prior to that, mine was pretty level and I didn't have to keep cutting the pass rear spring.

Hey Joe, before getting the Cruiser I was looking seriously at replacing the Maxima with a 2011/2012 GTI. How do you like your Golf? Prices on even the used GTI's are ridiculous. Now that I have the Cruiser, I will try to get a few more years out of the Maxima and enjoy putting that $400 a month car payment into some offroad upgrades ;)
 
Hey Joe, before getting the Cruiser I was looking seriously at replacing the Maxima with a 2011/2012 GTI. How do you like your Golf? Prices on even the used GTI's are ridiculous. Now that I have the Cruiser, I will try to get a few more years out of the Maxima and enjoy putting that $400 a month car payment into some offroad upgrades ;)

I'm loving the TDi! It hit a number of things I wanted in a car - modest size but roomy interior, fun to drive, good fuel economy. It's no sports car but can be tossed around while getting 40mpg. The diesel torque is very addictive. :)

We drove the GTI as well and were quite impressed, but the suspension + 18's were a bit much for us old folk.
 
I probably need to start a question of the month for the Cruiser.

I have noticed a hard clunk from the drivers side front. Something is shifting when I accelerate and brake. I can feel the clunk under my left foot quite distinctly. I have examined the linkages and can't see anything indicative of shifting or wear. I have looked at the front axle evaluation thread but I didn't see anything that helped me identify clunks when driving. When I bought the Cruiser, I knew the clunk was there but now it seems to either be getting louder or I just seem to notice it more.

Ideas:
Control arm? That is one seriously beefy bolt connecting the control arm to the frame but I guess it could get loose. Brandon installed castor correction bushings (woot!) so it has been taken off recently.
Panhard bar? It connects to the frame and the clunk could be transmitted to the body.

Any suggestions?
 
This is a shifting clunk. Sometimes it occurs during steering to right. We finally took it offroad and the problem went from bad to worse. It seemed as though every little bump or shifting of weight caused a loud clunk.
 
Check the torque specs on all 3 control arms bolts. Keep in mind (and I always forget which one) that either the bolt or nut has to be checked - one of them has "teeth" so when it contacts the control arm it will stop turning.

If they're all good, I'd get the front end on jackstands and start more diagnosis: check if you have wheel bearing slop, tie rod end slop, etc.

From there, I'd start taking things apart - check the trunion bearings and steering arm stud nuts.

Also be sure to check nothing is rubbing - for example driveshaft on swaybar. Come to think of it, I don't know if Brandon extended the swaybar endlinks so it could be shifting around making the noise.
 
make sure the top of the shocks are tight. bring it by my house and i will help you track it down.
 
WOOT! Fixed the clunk! I had to pick up some large metric impact sockets from Harbor Freight. I tightened the rear DS control arm nut (nut side to 130ft/lbs) followed by the "middle nut" on the axle. Both were already at 130ft/lbs or close to it. When I put the torque wrench on the front nut, I felt it spin easily. The bolt was spinning but even when I held the bolt, I was still able to give it a full revolution before the click. I would guess it was 60 to 70ft/lbs before I tightened it. It was nice to drive a quiet Cruiser for the first time.
 
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