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Looks like a nice portable (80 lbs) welder (same case as the HH140 and HH187) with more power... Might be something to consider if you're looking for a home welder....
$899.00 at Northern Tools.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...6866_200336866
Full discussion of welder here:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...ad.php?t=25436
Some quotes from welder testers from the thread above:
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Originally Posted by Hobart Expert Darrell View Post
The Hobart Handler 210 is the newest addition to the Handler family of products. The Handler 210 will be in rollout during the next couple of months; therefore, it may not be available in all locations until rollout is complete.
The Handler 210 has an output of 25 to 210 amps which provides the power of larger case welders in the portable Handler case.
The Handler 210 is spoolgun ready. It will directly accept the new optional direct plug-in DP-3035 spoolgun. There's no additional kit required to add or install. The output power of the Handler 210 combined with the convenience of the direct connect DP3035 spoolgun makes the Handler 210 a good selection to perform welding on aluminum in the spray transfer mode.
The Handler 210 will be added to the website in July.
Thanks,
Darrell
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Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
Well there's no way to get the cat back into the bag now I guess. Yes, there is a Handler 210, it's in the same case as the HH140 & HH187, weight is a bit more of course at near 80 lbs. It has the same tap setup as the HH187, in addition on the front there is a quick disconnect for the trigger ala Millermatic and a overheat light. Inside the wire compartment there is a switch to go from spoolgun to mig, all that is necessary to mount the spoolgun is to remove the H-14 mig gun and replace it with the DP-3035 spoolgun and set the switch to spoolgun, voltage and wirespeed are controlled normally using the dials on the front.
From what Dan and others have said about the arc quality of the Handler 187 I would think you could consider this new machine a Handler 187 on steriods, I havn't seen a Handler 187 yet but I can tell you that the Handler 210 is a very nice machine. With the Northern price being at $900 I would think it could be bought with the DP-3035 spooolgun (same gun as the Hobart/Miller 3035 with a different backend of course) for the same or cheaper as the MM210 or MM212 without a spoolgun. General performance is very close to what it was with the MM210 I used to have, and spoolgun performance with either 4043 or 5356 is excellant. I have run 6 different manfacturers wire and they all performed at acceptable levels with Hobart HB-28 & Pinnacle being the best in my opinion.
This machine could easily be your only mig and it will do everything most people would need without spending lots of money. I might also mention that performance on 24ga is very good even using .030 wire for those who are too lazy to change to .023-.025 wire like I sometimes am. I was a little suprised at the same work clamp as the 140/187 being used but in 4-5 months of testing I never experienced any problems relating to weak grounding, I guess if someone wanted to change it out to a bigger one they could with little expense.
I would bet these will be in short supply for some time and it would suprise me if the Northern price holds up, for those of you saving for a Handler 187 you might think about saving a few bucks more and take a hard look at this new Hobart Handler, esp if you were planning to adding a spoolgun and adapter to the Handler 187.
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Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
Okay, I've received my E-mail that says I'm allowed to talk about it, too. It's kind of fun to see who the other test sites were because we didn't even know about each other. Well, at least I didn't know who the others were.
I loved this unit. I didn't get to test or even see a HH187, but I'd be surprised if Dan didn't like this unit, too. I've been welding everything under the sun with it. It's retailing for a little more than I thought it would, but it sure does work as advertised. The spoolgun works extremely well with 4043 aluminum, and I used it quite a bit for .030 steel and self-shielded FC wires, also. I did a lot of mobile work from the truck with it, plugged into the TB301G for 240V power and using the spoolgun for lots of reach on fencelines.
It's the size of the Handlers, but I'd be hard-pressed to call it portable. It's heavy, for darn sure! The 7 taps worked just fine for everything I did, which was 24-ga. sheet metal to 3/8" steel on the trailer hitch cracks of my dually that I wrote about last winter.
I was not able to get a spray transfer with .023" wire and C-3 gas, but I didn't try the easier 98Ar/2O2 gas, nor did I really look to see if it had the load volts to do it; I just tried it for grins. But I was very happy with the short-circuit penetration on at least 5/16" material. It has the H10 gun and we all know what problems these Miller guns have given me in the past, but I never had a problem with this one. Too bad I wasn't able to put it on my Passport when I needed one; the backends are different.
Anyway, I'm extremely happy with this unit. I knew it was a sure thing as soon as I saw it. I've been outspoken that the Ironman 210 was a waste compared to the MM210, but this one is in a nice niche with its price and size, and the spoolgun is an easy hook-up.
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Originally Posted by dda52 View Post
Ditto, Mac. First time I fired it up, I was sold after I dialed it in....and it was extremely easy to dial in. The arc quality didn't impress me too much at first. I found it a bit rough, being used to the MM210. Once I fiddled with the settings and different wires, I liked it. Didn't take much fiddling either. The best wire I found was my usual Pinnacle which could be dialed in with nary a hint of spatter. BUT, this puppy did well with every wire save one...it din't like the Unifil 1 in .035. That is a strange wire anyway, so that didn't phase me.
IMO, it welds Alu better than my MM210...I ran them side by side. The HH was noticably better...even on 3/8 sections. I did try to spray with C-8, but no joy...no matter. The short circuit action was way better than anything I expected, so if it didn't spray, I didn't care. I used this machine for almost every job in my shop that fell into its parameters. 20 ga to 3/8 and it performed flawlessly.....solid and flux core and a little stainless as well.
The duty cycle never got in my way that badly, even though I was having to wait a few times. The vast majority of thetime, it never bothered me. The ground clamp was fine. The gun bugged me a little since I was used to 15' guns, but that didn't matter after I got used to it. I would like a 12' on it, but the 10' did just fine.
FWIW, this machine is a keeper. If you want a 210 amp MIG and can't cough up the bucks for the MM210, this is the unit you want. It will run with the MM210 in almost every aspect save duty cycle. My MM210 got very little usage since the HH showed up...it may be getting a complex by now.
$899.00 at Northern Tools.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...6866_200336866
Full discussion of welder here:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...ad.php?t=25436
Some quotes from welder testers from the thread above:
=====================================================================================
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobart Expert Darrell View Post
The Hobart Handler 210 is the newest addition to the Handler family of products. The Handler 210 will be in rollout during the next couple of months; therefore, it may not be available in all locations until rollout is complete.
The Handler 210 has an output of 25 to 210 amps which provides the power of larger case welders in the portable Handler case.
The Handler 210 is spoolgun ready. It will directly accept the new optional direct plug-in DP-3035 spoolgun. There's no additional kit required to add or install. The output power of the Handler 210 combined with the convenience of the direct connect DP3035 spoolgun makes the Handler 210 a good selection to perform welding on aluminum in the spray transfer mode.
The Handler 210 will be added to the website in July.
Thanks,
Darrell
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundown View Post
Well there's no way to get the cat back into the bag now I guess. Yes, there is a Handler 210, it's in the same case as the HH140 & HH187, weight is a bit more of course at near 80 lbs. It has the same tap setup as the HH187, in addition on the front there is a quick disconnect for the trigger ala Millermatic and a overheat light. Inside the wire compartment there is a switch to go from spoolgun to mig, all that is necessary to mount the spoolgun is to remove the H-14 mig gun and replace it with the DP-3035 spoolgun and set the switch to spoolgun, voltage and wirespeed are controlled normally using the dials on the front.
From what Dan and others have said about the arc quality of the Handler 187 I would think you could consider this new machine a Handler 187 on steriods, I havn't seen a Handler 187 yet but I can tell you that the Handler 210 is a very nice machine. With the Northern price being at $900 I would think it could be bought with the DP-3035 spooolgun (same gun as the Hobart/Miller 3035 with a different backend of course) for the same or cheaper as the MM210 or MM212 without a spoolgun. General performance is very close to what it was with the MM210 I used to have, and spoolgun performance with either 4043 or 5356 is excellant. I have run 6 different manfacturers wire and they all performed at acceptable levels with Hobart HB-28 & Pinnacle being the best in my opinion.
This machine could easily be your only mig and it will do everything most people would need without spending lots of money. I might also mention that performance on 24ga is very good even using .030 wire for those who are too lazy to change to .023-.025 wire like I sometimes am. I was a little suprised at the same work clamp as the 140/187 being used but in 4-5 months of testing I never experienced any problems relating to weak grounding, I guess if someone wanted to change it out to a bigger one they could with little expense.
I would bet these will be in short supply for some time and it would suprise me if the Northern price holds up, for those of you saving for a Handler 187 you might think about saving a few bucks more and take a hard look at this new Hobart Handler, esp if you were planning to adding a spoolgun and adapter to the Handler 187.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
Okay, I've received my E-mail that says I'm allowed to talk about it, too. It's kind of fun to see who the other test sites were because we didn't even know about each other. Well, at least I didn't know who the others were.
I loved this unit. I didn't get to test or even see a HH187, but I'd be surprised if Dan didn't like this unit, too. I've been welding everything under the sun with it. It's retailing for a little more than I thought it would, but it sure does work as advertised. The spoolgun works extremely well with 4043 aluminum, and I used it quite a bit for .030 steel and self-shielded FC wires, also. I did a lot of mobile work from the truck with it, plugged into the TB301G for 240V power and using the spoolgun for lots of reach on fencelines.
It's the size of the Handlers, but I'd be hard-pressed to call it portable. It's heavy, for darn sure! The 7 taps worked just fine for everything I did, which was 24-ga. sheet metal to 3/8" steel on the trailer hitch cracks of my dually that I wrote about last winter.
I was not able to get a spray transfer with .023" wire and C-3 gas, but I didn't try the easier 98Ar/2O2 gas, nor did I really look to see if it had the load volts to do it; I just tried it for grins. But I was very happy with the short-circuit penetration on at least 5/16" material. It has the H10 gun and we all know what problems these Miller guns have given me in the past, but I never had a problem with this one. Too bad I wasn't able to put it on my Passport when I needed one; the backends are different.
Anyway, I'm extremely happy with this unit. I knew it was a sure thing as soon as I saw it. I've been outspoken that the Ironman 210 was a waste compared to the MM210, but this one is in a nice niche with its price and size, and the spoolgun is an easy hook-up.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dda52 View Post
Ditto, Mac. First time I fired it up, I was sold after I dialed it in....and it was extremely easy to dial in. The arc quality didn't impress me too much at first. I found it a bit rough, being used to the MM210. Once I fiddled with the settings and different wires, I liked it. Didn't take much fiddling either. The best wire I found was my usual Pinnacle which could be dialed in with nary a hint of spatter. BUT, this puppy did well with every wire save one...it din't like the Unifil 1 in .035. That is a strange wire anyway, so that didn't phase me.
IMO, it welds Alu better than my MM210...I ran them side by side. The HH was noticably better...even on 3/8 sections. I did try to spray with C-8, but no joy...no matter. The short circuit action was way better than anything I expected, so if it didn't spray, I didn't care. I used this machine for almost every job in my shop that fell into its parameters. 20 ga to 3/8 and it performed flawlessly.....solid and flux core and a little stainless as well.
The duty cycle never got in my way that badly, even though I was having to wait a few times. The vast majority of thetime, it never bothered me. The ground clamp was fine. The gun bugged me a little since I was used to 15' guns, but that didn't matter after I got used to it. I would like a 12' on it, but the 10' did just fine.
FWIW, this machine is a keeper. If you want a 210 amp MIG and can't cough up the bucks for the MM210, this is the unit you want. It will run with the MM210 in almost every aspect save duty cycle. My MM210 got very little usage since the HH showed up...it may be getting a complex by now.
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