My Birfield Odyssey

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Well, after three long days mostly spent in a cold garge, I'm finally finished 'the job'. As others have mentioned, it's not 'hard' but it does take a lot of time to do the work.

I did find some birf soup on the DS but the PS was still mostly intact (maybe a bit of leaking). I replaced all the bearings but most of the components appear to be in fairly good shape.


I attribute the lengthy time to a number of things:

- I was a newb with this job. I've done other work on my vehicles, but this was by far the biggest job I have undertaken. This means you spend a lot of time reading the manual, rereading, reviewing print-outs of posts, etc.

- I was alone - have some help can be very useful to help clean parts, hold things, etc

- I had to go get a few things that I forgot or underestimated (ie brake cleaner, fish scale at cottage, cheap diff fluid)

- Most of the birf summaries that I have reviewed do not include ALL the steps in a FULL job (eg replacing all the bearings - it takes some time to pound out/in new races, replacing the rear seals, etc) so my mental image of the job was a bit off.

- Parts cleaning - this was a major PITA. Most of it wasn't too bad, but some axx hat (as Landpimp would call them) at some point did a bunch of shoddy work - I found two gasket locations, on both sides (so 4 in total) where they had double gasketed. Getting the old gasket off was a major PITA. All of this was reason enought to do this yourself - the guy that is being paid to do this has no real incentive to do the job properly.

- I live in the rust belt - so getting parts off took some time

- Working conditions were not ideal (unheated garage at my brothers, no proper work bench, etc)

- I ran into a few problems that had to be dealt with. The most significant was on the PS with a steering knuckle stud that became unseated. I had to take the outter knuckle off, clean-up the newly applied grease and clean all of the threads and reset with locktight. I think I may replace all of these studs as two of them have been replaced with shorter pins (likely the same axx hat)...

(can this be done without taking the birf apart? ie if my mechanic has it on a lift, can they just remove the studs, degrease and put new ones in? I don't feel like doing this on my back in the cold)

Tools and other stuff that I found helpful that weren't on the list:

- bought a set of craftsman pry bars just on a whim as they were $7. I used these to help remove the bearing cap, etc. Seal setting tool - again on a whim - $10 for a piece you hammer on and a number of diffeent sized rings - made setting the seals a simple job.

- I had a set of brass drifts, if I were to do this again, I would also get a brass hammer so I could just beat on things directly (like the wall and the floor :rolleyes: )

- I used disposable aluminum turkey roasting pans filled with some oil absorbing material. Once the birfs were clean, I just took them outside and put them in the garbage. I also had some large, long boxes (the box my jack came in) one for each side. As I cleaned the parts I set all the parts in the right box and added all the new gaskets, seals and bearings.

A special note of thanks to CDan - easy to order from - everything I needed was there and some spare parts that I requested. I ordered on Wed afternoon and the parts were at my house on Friday AM - not bad from across the country and in a different country!



Can someone tell me what the shop time is for this job - I'd love to know?:

- Axle dis and reass with new bearings
- Replacing seals and repacking gaskets
- Replacing trunion bearings

I still have the vibration problem - so I need to work on tracking that down. I've pulled the rear shaft and will clean and replace it this week. The wheels are fine, so I'll pull the front shaft next and see how it's doing. I don't think it's tires as viration is only when I'm on the gas - generally fine when not accelerating and nothing in neutral.

Cheers, Hugh
 
Hugh, did you have any confusion on setting the preload and such on the bearings? I thought the write-up in the FSM was clear as mud. Wondering if it was only me.
 
I was just about to post an edit on that! So, I'll reply here:

First, I've been reading birf posts now for about two years, so I had some sense of the process and confusion. I think the confusion is when you are 8, 16 or 30 hours into the job and you come acrosss this process, which doesn't seem 'natural'

That being said, I did find the FSM to be fine - it's not plain language, but if you follow each step, you get the idea. I think the only real issue where people screw up is the 48lb points and 48 inch pounds and they just misread the number (they should have just picked slightly different numbers so you look again ie 48 foot and 46 inch) - mine is highlighted.

Now, having said all of that, my preload is a bit high (more like 14). I did the process a few times and then left it. As others have mentioned, I think it's because (1) it's cold here (~35-40F/ 0-5C) (2) I'm using synthetic amsoil

PS I became a 'Amsoil Preferred Customer' (or is it dealer?). Why? Well, I spend a few hours calling around trying to find a retail place that sold quality synthetic grease. Nothing. Then I called Mobil (Imperial Oil here) and asked them - they were very friendly and told me to call their distributor.

I called the distributor - they weren't helpful. I could buy grease, but only by the case. They wouldn't tell me who they sold to....Mobil should really add a 'finder' engine on their we site that shows who stocks grease, oil, etc.

So I found a listing for Amsoil and this guy, Karl was fantastic. He first tried to find some retailers for me (ie he thinks, makes calls and call me back), then after we discussed things he suggested I just become a preferred customer to get a price break and, more importantly, direct access to the warehouse that is open to 8pm. Great! Every oil and grease I need, at 25-30% below what I see at retail. As context, I am in Canada and buying Mobil 1 is expensive (about C$8.50/qt - I'm getting the amsoil for less than C$6 - I need to check my 'case' price)

In any case, I now have a case of oil, gear lube, some ATF and a bunch of grease.

Cheers, Hugh
 
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congrats hugh. seems like it is birf season again. I am surprised that amsoil did not steer you to canadian tire which now stocks amsoil. maybe Riley and I should try that as we are talking about tranny flushes and the price per quart of synthetic atf is pretty daunting.
 
CDN_Cruiser said:
Once the birfs were clean, I just took them outside and put them in the garbage.

:eek:... you were supposed to put those back in!!! :D

Brace yourself, but IIRC the shop time for this is about 8 hours.

Took me two FULL days.

:cheers:
Rookie2
 
Semlin:

I was actually going to PM you and find out where you bought your stuff. C tire is charing C$9.00 for a L of oil, so this is the way to go -they have everything. I also made the offer to the group of guys I wheel with to pass on the deal.

Rookie - that's not what I wanted to hear ;) Next time around, if I could find a dealer I was really happy with, I would get them to do the job.

Cheers, Hugh
 

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