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orangefj45
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i know this is mud and all and we try to keep things on the friendly side but when somebody comes on here and calls me a liar then i'm gonna cross that line. i take extreme offense to anybody calling me a liar, especially if they do not know me and have never dealt with me.
i call major BULL**** on your reply.
want proof? here ya go:
YouTube - katemcy rocks red fj 40 in v notch part 4 of 4 coming out
stock knuckles, stock birfs, stock studs, stock inner shafts, stock hubs, stock .......... marlin hs arms and locked front and rear.
sure, if we wanted to we could snap the birfs and studs at will. any idiot could. but if you drive with the slightest amount of sensibility then you can run stock stuff. this particular rig is well over 90% oem toyota and built on a very tight budget.
i'm not saying you should drive a rig with stock components the way we do, but it is possible. if you have the extra $s to spend on it,then go for the better birfs, shafts and studs.
i'd be willing to bet that more than half of the knuckle stud failures are due to improperly torqued or loose studs.
rant over, i'll go back to wheeling like apussy once a year now........
orangefj45
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orangefj45
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great upgrade and not expensive at all.
whoes arms are those? they look cast so i'll have to assume they're TG?
Not cast, they are forged. Perfectly acceptable to weld to.
The knuckles on the other had are cast and should not be welded on, but I like to burn in the 4 studs and the nut inside for the 5th stud anyways.
Bobby offers a 5th stud kit on his site with all the hardware you will need. He is a good friend and lives close by. Its Bobby's original idea, hes the 5th stud originator. Shoot him a call and order a pair and weld them up. Its alot cheaper than a seet of six shooters.
Gotta concur with Georg here.
I wheeled for years on small pattern knuckles with stock studs. Matter of fact - the pic in my avatar is from several years back, and you can see it was still SUA with 38.5 siped TSL/SX's on Stazwork double beadlocks - and I ran them at around 4lbs. The only mod to the front axle was an ARB. Broke a few birfs - but held up decent, and I hammered it pretty good (making all of the trails at Tellico, except Peckerwood, without winching - might roll, might break an axle, but made them all at some point and time). Ran them for one year with 4x4 labs high steer - and only broke a few studs, and was able to limp back to camp each time.
Upgraded when I went to 39" Krawlers - which has caused all sorts of carnage, helping to find just about every weak spot I have in my setup.
I definitely wheel harder with the six shooters - but you can wheel pretty damn hard with stock knuckles if you have your krap set up right and drive decent.
Added a couple of pix of some folks who wheeled with stock large pattern - the first SUA with 39.5 Boggers (he did better when he bought my TSLs) and a SOA on 40" MTRs - both locked, the latter with Ram assist. They wheeled stupid at times and did fine...
I wheeled for years on small pattern knuckles with stock studs. Matter of fact - the pic in my avatar is from several years back, and you can see it was still SUA with 38.5 siped TSL/SX's on Stazwork double beadlocks - and I ran them at around 4lbs. The only mod to the front axle was an ARB. Broke a few birfs - but held up decent, and I hammered it pretty good (making all of the trails at Tellico, except Peckerwood, without winching - might roll, might break an axle, but made them all at some point and time). Ran them for one year with 4x4 labs high steer - and only broke a few studs, and was able to limp back to camp each time.
Upgraded when I went to 39" Krawlers - which has caused all sorts of carnage, helping to find just about every weak spot I have in my setup.
I definitely wheel harder with the six shooters - but you can wheel pretty damn hard with stock knuckles if you have your krap set up right and drive decent.
Added a couple of pix of some folks who wheeled with stock large pattern - the first SUA with 39.5 Boggers (he did better when he bought my TSLs) and a SOA on 40" MTRs - both locked, the latter with Ram assist. They wheeled stupid at times and did fine...
ps: the V8s are lighter than the stock engine!
I meant that the 40s and 60s (stock or v8) are heavier than the typical minitruck
and yes if you are bragging about keeping stock birfs alive, then yes you wheel like a girl.
orangefj45
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don't let the long hair fool ya!
i've known about bobby's 5th stud upgrade for a long time. i'd rather buy his parts than trail-mart crap anyday. as a matter of fact, i have never bought anything from trail mart. and i never will.
georg
ps: we did blow both stock birfs the day after that video was shot. got bobby's in there now..........
orangefj45
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have you thought about cleaning up the taper a little? a lot of the arms are machined fairly crude and the taper is the worst part. being that it's cut as rough as it is, you end up loosing clamping force pretty quickly as things settle into place.
i'd run the proper reamer into them to cleanthem up some. you'll get a way better contact area and the studs/nuts should stay tight longer.
Damn orange! I gotta say I just watched that video and you dont wheel hard you just wheel bad.
Ive seen blind folks cut a better line than that. Thats not a hard cut at all. watch this feller walk it like a pro. And dont blame your tires, this guys runnin boggers (worst tire I could find walkin up that crack) and makes it look boring.
YouTube - katemcy rocks waterfall trail crack
I wouldnt worry about axles and birfs the way you wheel, I would worry about oil (accusump) going thru the engine.
all in good fun.
Ive seen blind folks cut a better line than that. Thats not a hard cut at all. watch this feller walk it like a pro. And dont blame your tires, this guys runnin boggers (worst tire I could find walkin up that crack) and makes it look boring.
YouTube - katemcy rocks waterfall trail crack
I wouldnt worry about axles and birfs the way you wheel, I would worry about oil (accusump) going thru the engine.
all in good fun.
orangefj45
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Damn orange! I gotta say I just watched that video and you dont wheel hard you just wheel bad.
Ive seen blind folks cut a better line than that. Thats not a hard cut at all. watch this feller walk it like a pro. And dont blame your tires, this guys runnin boggers (worst tire I could find walkin up that crack) and makes it look boring.
YouTube - katemcy rocks waterfall trail crack
I wouldnt worry about axles and birfs the way you wheel, I would worry about oil (accusump) going thru the engine.
all in good fun.
1) i AM blind in one eye. so i got that going for me
2) we're on stock cruiser axles, not full width. slight difference when you approach that crack. one tire was gonna go in the hole at the bottom.
3) a little oil thru the pcv never killed anybody. LOL
4) TG can kiss my ass. and they can keep their chinese made crap. we've all seen the cut-aways of their arms and that's about the most piss-poor forged steel i've ever seen. even if the forged part was done well, the finish machine work is substandard at best.
orangefj45
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orangefj45
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must be the same site that mentions that tg came up with the idea for the 6-shooters, huh? i really need to start believing everything i read on the net. cause it's all true or the internet police would start putting people in jail!
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Well...Im pretty excited about the 6 shooters....
So Georg...can I safely assume that you would stick with new OE studs vs the magnums?
So Georg...can I safely assume that you would stick with new OE studs vs the magnums?
Damn orange! I gotta say I just watched that video and you dont wheel hard you just wheel bad.
Ive seen blind folks cut a better line than that. Thats not a hard cut at all. watch this feller walk it like a pro. And dont blame your tires, this guys runnin boggers (worst tire I could find walkin up that crack) and makes it look boring.
YouTube - katemcy rocks waterfall trail crack
I wouldnt worry about axles and birfs the way you wheel, I would worry about oil (accusump) going thru the engine.
all in good fun.
i find it a bit comical that you think that because you chose to thrash your stuff that that makes you a "hard-core" wheeler?????????
and everyone else is wheeling like a girl. I love to sit on the amphitheater at the sluice box and watch those "hard-core" wheelers trash their rigs.....and then get towed out and go home for the weekend while we are hanging out at the springs enjoying a cold brew.... rock on!
orangefj45
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Well...Im pretty excited about the 6 shooters....
So Georg...can I safely assume that you would stick with new OE studs vs the magnums?
sure you want info from a web-wheeler. worse yet, a one-eyed pussy who wheels once a year? if so, then yes, i'd sleep just fine at night having oem studs in my knuckles with 6 shooters. then again, if your budget is biggert than most, then splurge on the ARPs. i know you're not wealthy so spend your money on something that'll give you more bang for the buck.
we have a phrase for splurging like that at the shop and it came form watching the TJ crowd. we call them "cock-measurers". the first thing they do when you meet them, be it at the starbucks or at the trailhead, is to proceed to tell you about all the s*** they bolted to their rig. or better yet, had bolted to their rig by somebody else cause they could'nt figure it out if they tried. and they're so proud of all the money they've frivulously spent on crap they did'nt really need but is just cool to have. almost like bragging rights but not quite; more like winning the special olympics. you're still a tard!
moral of the story, don't be a cock-measurer!
orangefj45
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i find it a bit comical that you think that because you chose to thrash your stuff that that makes you a "hard-core" wheeler?????????
sluice-monkey!
sorry bud, could'nt resist. been there, done that.and it's always a good show!
Well - I've got thick skin, so name calling isn't gonna hurt me so yeah, all in good fun - and well, it is the hard core section. Other than that - last I checked, I thought the discussion was about knuckle studs.
I said at the beginning - I installed new OEM studs/nuts/cone washers when I went to the six shooters and they've held up fine - and that's with ram assist, minimal bump stops, high steer, 30 spline axles, 39" red labels, etc. etc. I only wheel mildly a total of about 2 weeks per year and they've done fine.
Since you're buying new studs anyways - what's a little bit of extra to just go magnum on top. Either way you'll be fine.
Aside from all that - I too hate buying cheap Chinese krap and prefer American vendors (and I'll repeat where I've said it before - my girlfriend is Chinese, albeit born and raised in Canada) - but there's no shame in running those six shooters - the crime is Marlin didn't have em out first.
so yeah, all in good fun - and well, it is the hard core section. Other than that - last I checked, I thought the discussion was about knuckle studs.I said at the beginning - I installed new OEM studs/nuts/cone washers when I went to the six shooters and they've held up fine - and that's with ram assist, minimal bump stops, high steer, 30 spline axles, 39" red labels, etc. etc. I only wheel mildly
a total of about 2 weeks per year and they've done fine.Since you're buying new studs anyways - what's a little bit of extra to just go magnum on top. Either way you'll be fine.
Aside from all that - I too hate buying cheap Chinese krap and prefer American vendors (and I'll repeat where I've said it before - my girlfriend is Chinese, albeit born and raised in Canada) - but there's no shame in running those six shooters - the crime is Marlin didn't have em out first.
i find it a bit comical that you think that because you chose to thrash your stuff that that makes you a "hard-core" wheeler?????????
I was just offering up some advise from wheeling in tight nasty northwest trails. I see them fail alot. If I can prevent failure easily, I try to. I enjoy trashing my rig, thats what its for.
I enjoy wheeling hard as apposed to being a stuck up prick.