LX vs LC options
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This might be the prevailing perception but it's anecdotal and couldn't be more wrong.
The trick is that the LX doesn't have to have a stiffer baseline as with a static suspension. It's dynamic and can be both softer and firmer.
It has all the cross linked roll stiffness of KDSS, implemented in a more sophisticated way. While also having far more faculties to further increase stiffness and control with dynamic damping and system selectable high spring rates. All things that help body control in roll but goes further to manage brake dive, front to rear proposing, and dynamically adjusted for load and conditions.
It also has user adjustable damping, so one can easily turn up the wick to be stiff if that's the character one desires. Or freeway eating comfort in soft.
Not even close and AHC IMO makes the 200-series. I wouldn't own one without it.
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I have the pleasure of driving my 2021 LC200 and our Daughter/Son in Law 2020 LX570 which is low mileage (~65k) and Lexus certified pre owned. The ride is different yet I do not find the lean during cornering any different from KDSS. Dive maybe some. I prefer the simplicity of the non AHC LC200 suspension (what we have in the US) including for high tow and hook loads and long term reliability.
IMO both vehicle are great and you should drive both and based on condition and your taste make the choice. The continuous push by LX570 owners it is actually better I just do not see at all and the AHC like cornering headlights is just a complex gimmick. All and all it’s similar and different in some aspects, potentiall good (like the driver seat in 16+ or the second hand price) or bad (Higher octane fuel, the setup of rear AC controls, the terrible infotainment mouse, more complexity from AHC & roller sunshades & cornering head lights for little gain, the interesting X grill, the dreadful light color wood). In the end I wanted a capable all round understated very reliable SUV and the 200 series in Land Cruiser dress checks all these boxes together with the bonus of a nice, comfortable and a quiet cabin. The LX570 simply does not.
The only aspect I give the 16+ LX570 the heads up on is the nicer and longer driver seat cushion setup.
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You know what you want, and the LC meets your needs. No caveats necessary and enjoy your rig.
I have different goals and requirements. Sure part of them are preferences. But just as much are grounded in real capability and performance needs that only the highest end 200-series badged as an LX will meet. These are not flimsy "Lexus" gimmicks and complexity as you suggest, but rather robust top trim "Toyota" Land Cruiser features I enjoy regularly and have put through the ringer. Only parts of which have trickled down to the latest model year LCs (does that make the later model year LCs softer?)
I want everything you want but turned up to 11.
There is only one suspension that will simultaneously manage 37s, providing 6" of obstacle clearing height while lowering enough to make using it ergonomic at camp, provides a Cadillac (Lexus?) quality ride, laden to 2300lbs or unladen, and having enough performance to chase Raptors.
@TeCKis300 , you are one happy LX570 owner and a great contributor to this awesome forum. I understand the points made about the Lexus incarnation of the 200 series, but for my taste and logic and first hand experience I think the 16+ LC200 is the sweat spot and most desirable 200 series, followed by the 13 to 15 years of the LC. Looks like we have to agree here to disagree, that is OK with me.
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I test drove both brand new LC200 and LX570. The first U-turn I came around, I threw both at 40mph into a 90* turn. The LX felt like it rolled more in normal setting.
I own both a 2016 LC and 2019 LX, and they are different, but both very enjoyable.
I am happy to drive either one, but the LX has far better seats and for somebody with long legs, it’s a huge perk. The sound system in the LX is also better than the LC.
The LC exterior styling is better if you care about that. Seeing the two hood bulges on the 16+ bonnet while driving down the road is a marvelous sight.
I am happy to drive either one, but the LX has far better seats and for somebody with long legs, it’s a huge perk. The sound system in the LX is also better than the LC.
The LC exterior styling is better if you care about that. Seeing the two hood bulges on the 16+ bonnet while driving down the road is a marvelous sight.
Flip that switch, homie!
This may be a bigger factor if you live in a HOT climate...never found them a problem in the hotest of Colorado summers. Many have also found that their underseat filters are clogged, which can impact cooling.
In Florida and I can attest that they don’t do much of anything on full blast.
Not surprising as many cars have crappy seat ventilation. American trucks are usually the gold standard for this feature.
Like i said Hot climates...not so great! Possibly an American truck is your best bet if you live in Florida.
I’d rather eat my shoe lol. I’m just saying they have figured out how to cool down car seats.
Wanted an apples to apples comparison
Several other factors affect perceived roll. Tires and tire pressure. Weight as the LX probably carries 300+ lbs which is an advantage to the LC.
Dynamics are more than roll. Hit the brakes hard on corner entry and there is only one suspension that will actively mitigate brake dive. AHC is a fantastic performing suspension for spirited hard driving on and off dirt, and distinguishing feature of the LX trim.
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Whatever those factors may be, that was my experience. Both vehicles were stock with OE tires, unloaded.
Im not describing brake dive, I specified body roll. I chose my words wisely
The LC200s brake dive in stock form is abysmal.