I can get boxes done for $600. I just don't think that the price is cost affective when I could buy a super nice 416 for a grand. Butt it is always an option. I'll get those drawings finished up this week then we can talk about it.
Lets do a group trailer buy
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[quote author=BMAN link=board=27;threadid=14875;start=msg141514#msg141514 date=1082390900]
I can get boxes done for $600. I just don't think that the price is cost affective when I could buy a super nice 416 for a grand. Butt it is always an option. I'll get those drawings finished up this week then we can talk about it.
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Even though you can get a nice M416 for a thousand bucks it is not ideal. They usually don't have tailgates (although not everyone wants one). The axle is not really what you want, the lunette is too short. Basically, you can get a nice M416 for a thousand bucks and still be several hundred away from a completed trailer.
Still, 600 does seem to be too high. Is this just a plain M416 style box-- or did it include any extras like a tailgate? What materials were being used for the box, and what all was included in that price?
Any idea how much cheaper it would be with straight sides instead of M416 style sides?
I actually think that the "box" would be the hardest part, and that the frame would be relatively easy and cheap-- once you find a guy who does that sort of thing. Obviously the axle, springs and coupler has some costs, but that is not too bad. At least I don't think it would be.
Jared
I can get boxes done for $600. I just don't think that the price is cost affective when I could buy a super nice 416 for a grand. Butt it is always an option. I'll get those drawings finished up this week then we can talk about it.
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Even though you can get a nice M416 for a thousand bucks it is not ideal. They usually don't have tailgates (although not everyone wants one). The axle is not really what you want, the lunette is too short. Basically, you can get a nice M416 for a thousand bucks and still be several hundred away from a completed trailer.
Still, 600 does seem to be too high. Is this just a plain M416 style box-- or did it include any extras like a tailgate? What materials were being used for the box, and what all was included in that price?
Any idea how much cheaper it would be with straight sides instead of M416 style sides?
I actually think that the "box" would be the hardest part, and that the frame would be relatively easy and cheap-- once you find a guy who does that sort of thing. Obviously the axle, springs and coupler has some costs, but that is not too bad. At least I don't think it would be.
Jared
The thing with a 416 at $1k is that I would have a working trailer. Adding the additional stuff and doing conversions over time is a little easiers to swallow.
The boxes for $600 were completely welded 416 style boxes with the top bends and a 1" square tube top rather than the rounded style like stock military trailers. No tailgate. 14 guage steel sides and a 3/16 treadplate bottom. This quote was from the shop next door to mine. They are busy now and I think they really just didn't want the work. Let me get my drawings done up and then we can get everything qouted together and as seperate items. I will be including a tailgate option in my drawings.
The boxes for $600 were completely welded 416 style boxes with the top bends and a 1" square tube top rather than the rounded style like stock military trailers. No tailgate. 14 guage steel sides and a 3/16 treadplate bottom. This quote was from the shop next door to mine. They are busy now and I think they really just didn't want the work. Let me get my drawings done up and then we can get everything qouted together and as seperate items. I will be including a tailgate option in my drawings.
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Another issue is couplers. I would prefer a trailer with removable couplers. One where you can easily switch the tongue from a pintal coupler to a ball coupler.
This is another cool coupler.
This would seem to have the advantages of pintal (rotation) without all the slop. I used to know of another site that carried this type of coupler, but I can't find right now. I found this picture at the adventure trailer site, but I know I have seen it somewhere else. I am still looking.
http://www.adventuretrailers.com/NewestSite/accessories/Accessories.html
Jared
This is another cool coupler.
This would seem to have the advantages of pintal (rotation) without all the slop. I used to know of another site that carried this type of coupler, but I can't find right now. I found this picture at the adventure trailer site, but I know I have seen it somewhere else. I am still looking.
http://www.adventuretrailers.com/NewestSite/accessories/Accessories.html
Jared
Global RV has 'em.
They're like $250. I drew up a detail of one to build myself but decided to abandon the idea when I sourced the Urethane. $200 for a 12" stick of 3x3...ouch!
Mine would have been a straight reciever plug in though rather than the bolt on type shown.
Maybe we could do these at the same time as the trailers.
They're like $250. I drew up a detail of one to build myself but decided to abandon the idea when I sourced the Urethane. $200 for a 12" stick of 3x3...ouch!
Mine would have been a straight reciever plug in though rather than the bolt on type shown.
Maybe we could do these at the same time as the trailers.
Pskhaat
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Another issue is couplers.
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To be solved via the 2" square tube tongue against which one can `plug' a pintle loop, a ball hitch, et cetera.
Another issue is couplers.
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To be solved via the 2" square tube tongue against which one can `plug' a pintle loop, a ball hitch, et cetera.
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Here are more couplers-- they are called lock n roll. Kind of funky
http://www.locknroll.com/
These are the ones that 4x4 trailers uses.
http://www.4x4trailers.com/New%20items/lock%20n%20roll%20hitch.htm
Jared
http://www.locknroll.com/
These are the ones that 4x4 trailers uses.
http://www.4x4trailers.com/New%20items/lock%20n%20roll%20hitch.htm
Jared
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[quote author=3fj40 link=board=27;threadid=14875;start=msg141640#msg141640 date=1082402129]
To be solved via the 2" square tube tongue against which one can `plug' a pintle loop, a ball hitch, et cetera.
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I agree with that. That is what I meant by "removable"
Plus it makes them easier to store. I don't know why all trailers are not like that.
Jared
To be solved via the 2" square tube tongue against which one can `plug' a pintle loop, a ball hitch, et cetera.
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I agree with that. That is what I meant by "removable"
Plus it makes them easier to store. I don't know why all trailers are not like that.
Jared
Pskhaat
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Here was a frame design that I came up with a few years ago. It didn't export everything correctly and there are some `layers' missing when the small image was created, but you get the idea. I can produce a PostScript/PDF of the full thing with all layers.
It is based on a 2" ID square tube center with 25.25" trailer springs, with a 35" tire for reference. It is 42" outside frame width, and uses 1.5" bolted C-channel iron. The 2" tube runs `underneath' the top boxed frame as do the diaganol supports.
It is based on a 2" ID square tube center with 25.25" trailer springs, with a 35" tire for reference. It is 42" outside frame width, and uses 1.5" bolted C-channel iron. The 2" tube runs `underneath' the top boxed frame as do the diaganol supports.
Pskhaat
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The export finally worked to GIF format for the bed too, in retrospect, how simple are those measurements? This is the point where I thought this thing should be framed...
just for reference and something to look at here is mine last time i took pics, very simple, very sturdy and very light. i have lots yet to do but this is the basic structure.
Pskhaat
Tourer
Hey PYRO, how much $$ do ya think to fab just the frame portion?
we would need to talk details, but i can see about $200
also if we have a number for trailers wanted i can get a quantity discount from a local trailer shop, axles, springs ect.
also if we have a number for trailers wanted i can get a quantity discount from a local trailer shop, axles, springs ect.
Just as I expected.
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[quote author=PYRO link=board=27;threadid=14875;start=msg142092#msg142092 date=1082467299]
we would need to talk details, but i can see about $200
also if we have a number for trailers wanted i can get a quantity discount from a local trailer shop, axles, springs ect.
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Are you talking about the frame that was posted above by 3FJ40?
Jared
we would need to talk details, but i can see about $200
also if we have a number for trailers wanted i can get a quantity discount from a local trailer shop, axles, springs ect.
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Are you talking about the frame that was posted above by 3FJ40?
Jared
huh? elaborate.
similar, i would like to discuss some changes and tweaks but its a good base design.
Nothing to elaoborate on, just giving ya hell for nothin.
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Lets restart this thread--
when we last were activitly discussing this we wanted to make something like this:
when we last were activitly discussing this we wanted to make something like this:
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We also liked the changable/extenable coupler
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We also like liked having a receiver hitch in the back, and some wanted a tailgate:
