Is a warn xd9000i a perfect winch for a FJZ80?

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Redfly

Redfly

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I need some help. I want to buy a winch, it seens to me M8000 is a little small but nice prices on the market; M12000 it sounds like the perfect one but expensive. So I am thinking to go with xd9000i. I go four wheeling maybe 4 times a year and I haven't had the necesity of one, but never look for something that I could use the winch.

what do you guys think???

thanks.
 
I just picked up a '91 fj80 and it came with a Smittybilt XRC10. I haven't used it much but it seems more than enough.

By the way, how do you like your lift? mine's stock but I'm thinking of lifting it just a little. I've got brand new Cooper 265/70/r16 tires so I don't want it to look too lifted.
 
Well, so far every time I four wheel I like that my tires don't hit anywhere in my truck, the truth I Love the feeling that I am higher than everybody specially driving around DC taxis, but the most important , it feels like is a stock truck, I went back to 285/70/ R17, just beacuse I use my truck daily basis, gas was getting expensive and very low millage.

Good luck.
 
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Redfly said:
Well, so far every time I four wheel I like that my tires don't hit anywhere in my truck, the truth I Love the feeling that I am higher than everybody specially driving around DC taxis, but the most important , it feels like is a stock truck, I went back to 285/70/ R17, just beacuse I use my truck daily basis, gas was getting expensive and very low millage.

Good luck.
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You are using 285/70/R17 on stock truck with out any modification?
:cheers:
 
Redfly said:
I need some help. I want to buy a winch, it seens to me M8000 is a little small but nice prices on the market; M12000 it sounds like the perfect one but expensive. So I am thinking to go with xd9000i. I go four wheeling maybe 4 times a year and I haven't had the necesity of one, but never look for something that I could use the winch.

what do you guys think???

thanks.
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The difference between the M8000 and the XD9000i or XD9000 is a little wierd.

The M8000 uses a slightly more powerful motor and has slightly faster line speeds, while the XD9000i uses slightly less current for a given pulling power...based on the information on Warn's website.

It's not hugely likely that you'll stall a winch, but you end up stalling an 8000lb winch, you'd likely stall a 9000lb winch, because you're most likely be stalling pulling less weight than the rating, but because you have too many wounds on the turn and not enough leverage to reach maximum pulling power. The maximum rating is with the winch spooled almost all the way out.

In any case, you'll almost certainly need to double line it either way if you need anything more than a basic tug, and with either the 8000 or 9000 winch, you'll likely break whatever cable or rope you're using before you reach maximum capacity in a double line pull.

So I personally see no real advantage to a 9000lb Warn winch over an 8000lbs Warn winch, unless the two winches are nearly the same price...which they usually aren't. The M8000 is usually far cheaper.

Also, depending on what bumper, winch mount you have, the XD9000i, may not fit. The ARB bumpers mount the winches feet forward, which means you'll have to get an M8000 or an XD9000 or simliear design with the seperate solenoid pack.

That's my opinion...but I could be wrong. YMMV
 
9.5xp
 
I picked up an XD9000i for my truck but it wouldn't fit the Metaltech bumper. Had to sell it and go with the M8000. I switched to synthetic rope and put only about 80' on the spool to make sure I was near the drum and getting full benefit of the available power. I also had a 40ish' extension rope made up for longer pulls. I have only used it once so far to upright a rolled mini but it worked great. For me, the price of the m8000 and a snatch block make a lot more sense.
 
If I were to spend the money again I would get bigger that 8000lb.If my truck has a full load say a week away camping, the 8000lb can not pull the truck.I got stuck trying to cross a river with a full load the 8000lb could not pull.Took a 12000lb T-max to get me out.
 
Have an M12000 on the 93. Two other M12000's that I am going through now and will have less than $600ish in both of them together. One will go in the 96 and the other in the tow rig.

I love the 8274's for the 40's, but for the 80's wouldn't want anything less than the M12000. I got stuck a couple weeks ago in some deep crusted snow, the FJ60 behind me was stalling his 8274 with the line 2:1'd. There wasn't a tree within a thousand feet of the front of my 80, but when we got it spun around to the trees, I was out. But I did a LOT of shoveling, picking, etc to get it turned around.

I love the speed of the M12000 also. It freespools out, unlike some of the "cheaper" winches. And comes in quick.
 
I would definately consider a 12000lb winch. But if you're comparing a warn 8000 and warn 9000 lb winches, I don't think there's enouch of a difference to justify the price difference of those two winches.
 
I run a 12k on my 80 and rarely need it. BUT........, when you need it, you really need it. I don't mean a little tug to get over something, I talking about pulling your rig out of mud, or sediment, like the bottom of an old beaver dam. I sunk so fast I had to climb out of the sunroof! It took some digging as well, but the 12k winch was working hard to get out.

P.S. I run two batteries that are in good shape, a must for power hungry winches making long line pulls.
 
Thank guys for all your answer so far...I think I ll save little bit more money and go with 12000 lbs.

By the way, to the guys who ask me about my tires and being stock. I am not, I have 4" lift.

Thank again :beer: cheers for all ur help
 
Depends on the type of wheeling you do like wngrog and others state...

Being pulled up a ledge on rock will require a lot less pull than getting pulled out of snow sunk up to the axles. Rule of thumb seems to be that the winch needs to have a pull rating of a minimum of 1.5x the weight of the vehicle. The XD9000 (which I have now) barely meets that for a loaded up 80. Guys in my club have routinely stalled out their M12000s.

I recently picked up a M15K :D - Found a basically new one for a great price so I jumped on it. Guy installed it on his Dodge and never used it...He never even stretched the cable. It is identical (size, weight, motor) to the M12K except for the gears and the cable. Yeah, it will be slower than a M12K but when you look at the specs the first wrap will pull 9840 lbs which is more than the 2nd wrap on the M12K will pull. It also draws less amps than the M12K for the same load. The downside is it calls for 7/16" rope which isn't near as common as 3/8" (M12K) or 5/16" (XD9000) rope and of course more expensive. Especially if you go with synthetic like I am.

When I was looking there was someone selling them new online and with the $150 Warn rebate the M15K was ~$60 cheaper in the end than a M12K was selling for. IIRC total price with free shipping and no tax after the rebate was ~$1150 new. You can find them online for <$1300 now without the rebate.
 
When someone stalls out a winch, it's not necessariliy because the winch reached it's maximum rated capacity and that was all she had....

Probably most often, the winch is maxing out at some rating much lower, due to the overleverge of rope left on the spool. Also, to obtain the maximum rating, assumes that the batteries are in excellent shape and able to maintain whatever voltage the winch is rated at while drawing 400 amps or more. Almost no system can do that for very long and many systems, with weak batteries, weak alternators, corroded cables or cables that are too long can't do it at all.

The main advantage to a 12K winch is not that it can pull 12K and a 8K winch can't...but that the 12K winch trades line speed for capacity, so at lower capacities, you can pull 8K with a 12K winch requiring a lot less amp draw and you can make up for lost leverage in the spool.

In other words, you aren't likely to need 12K of actual pulling power. Even a really stuck LC80 may only need about 8K of pulling power, but a 12K winch is far more likely to be able achieve that than an 8K with leverage loss, current and voltage loss, etc.

Now that I've said all that, I think I'm starting to talk myself into wanting a 12K winch...LOL!
 
Reading and reading I think I am towards 12000lbs, so my next question will be, is smittybilt or mile marker good brands??

Tks.
 
I really like my Smittybilt 12k
 
Redfly,
most of the responses have listed their winch needs, as they relate to the type of wheeling they do. You said you only go out four times a year. That little amount of wheeling may not justify the weight of a 12000. If you go to Warn's sight, they list weight and amperage draw of the winches. The 9000 that I have is something like 80 pounds with 400 and something amps drawn. The extra dough probably isn't justified either. Personally the 9000 and the snatch block have never let me down. I go out at least a couple times a month and have really abused that thing; its great. I say get the one that fits your needs and budget and use the money you save to buy some other gear you need/want. I suggest getting the hand throttle when you get the winch so you can keep your battery stable while under load.
Just my thoughts
Cory
 
The general rule of thumb for winch capacity is 1.5x the weight of the vehicle min. So if your 80 weighs 6000 lbs at full wheeling weight, a 9k lb winch would be the smallest you should run. Personally, I would want a 9.5k winch or a 10k winch. I think a 12k would be overkill. Using a smaller winch and a snatch block is an option but sometimes you don't have the line length to run to what you are winching from and back to the rig.

In my experience, line speed is not that big of a factor. A slower winch is easier to control and use. HTH
 
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