There is a website hydrogen fuel cell kit,hybrid fuel cell, which sells a kit that works on all gas and diesel applications. cost is 800 bucks and installs in 2-3 hours. Company guarantees at least a 40 percent better fuel economy. The way it works is it takes water and uses electricity from the batery which travels through a hydrogen generator cell and ionizes hydrogen particles from the H2O. The hydrogen particles are then routed through the air intake which heavily increases the octane of the fuel, thus improving gas milage. Then there is a modification that im not quite sure about which allows the vehicle to use the high octane fuel efficiently. It is suposed to increase the power and keep a cleaner motor. I was wondering if anyone knew more about this technology and if any drawbacks about it.
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Check this thread: https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/216983-hho-injection-generator-results.html
Sounds like it works, but I'm curious about engine longevity. If it worked without drawbacks, I think you would see it coming from the factory...
Sounds like it works, but I'm curious about engine longevity. If it worked without drawbacks, I think you would see it coming from the factory...
From a strictly science standpoint, it's a scam.
These things have been around for years, and there is a reason that more people don't use them, namely they don't work. The amount of energy you would need to extract H2 from water would not be offset by the benefits of adding a marginal amount of H2 to your fuel system.
Secondly, for this to be a viable energy source, you would need one hell of a lot more water than what the picture in the link would be able to hold.
Save your money.
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You can build your own for about 20-40 bucks, go to Youtube and do a search for Hydrogen fuel. I built mine for about 12-15 bucks, most of the parts I had them available, and so far I haven't seen any improvement. Maybe I did skip a step or something.:whoops:
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This guy that works across the street drives a tahoe with a 350 V8 and it got him 12 mpg more than what he had.
BS. I'm surprised that this guy is still working. A few months back a similiar scammer was caught. Kept driving after his "tank" was empty. Come to find out that he had designed an internal secondary (inside his frame) fuel cell that kept feeding fuel.
An additional 12mpg? I probably would not trust that guy with my finances.
If you really wanted fuel economy check out the new two-seater "one-litre" diesel currently under testing from VW. 282 mpg!
Volkswagen to Make Limited Edition of 1-Liter Car (282 MPG!) in 2010 : TreeHugger
VW May Produce 282 MPG Two-Seat Car - U.S. News Rankings and Reviews
OR, maybe the classic Opal at 376.59mpg:
Souped Down 1959 Opel T-1 Gets 376.59 mpg : TreeHugger
An additional 12mpg? I probably would not trust that guy with my finances.
If you really wanted fuel economy check out the new two-seater "one-litre" diesel currently under testing from VW. 282 mpg!
Volkswagen to Make Limited Edition of 1-Liter Car (282 MPG!) in 2010 : TreeHugger
VW May Produce 282 MPG Two-Seat Car - U.S. News Rankings and Reviews
OR, maybe the classic Opal at 376.59mpg:
Souped Down 1959 Opel T-1 Gets 376.59 mpg : TreeHugger
hey dirty, they had a news report on channel two about a hydrogen kit. a guy in portland bought the kit and swears he gets 30mpg in his ford ranger now. it was on just a night or two ago. i'm still skeptical though. looks pretty strange having a bunch of pickle jars filled with hydrogen rattling around under the hood.
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hey dirty the guy that works across the street from me is not the guy that sells the kit.
Yeah I saw that on the news the other night...I'm just skeptical. I know several people with Prius' who continuously state that they are getting 60+ on the highway. I actually challenged a coworker a few months back vs. my TDi Jetta on a trip to Seattle. I averaged 65mpg while he averaged 44mpg. Fact is that there are alot of green attitudes out there that are simply misleading/false/outright falacious. Heck, the number one green marketing tool in the US is the "flex fuel" fad. "flex fuel" (ie: ethanol) costs more for less...less mpg/hp for an expensive "upcharge" at the dealership to make consumers feel green. I'd like to think they are educated consumers, but obviously not. Unfortunately people lie about thier profits all the time (ie: bank accounts, the latest deal they got, the mpg's such and such gained them, etc). As much as we are pessimistic as a society we are optimists when it comes to hope for ourselves...and if we dont get 40 mpg's out of a $700+ conversion, well...we'll just lie about it, and live with it.
The one thing I do remember about hydrogen energy extraction was that it took nearly as much energy to harvest as it rendered in results. I mean, a rig with the drag coefficient of a tractor-truck is simply not going to get 40-50 mpg. You'd be hooking up the regional grid to expel enough energy to power your car...now consider the coal that was burned to do so (another fault of plu-in electric cars is the "hidden" contaminants of home electricity).
Are we talking cheap transportation or environmental transportation?
I'd love it to be true, but with the plummeting economy we are bound to see much more snake-oils being conned off by "wheeler-dealers" out to scam $$$ from desperate people. Me, I'll ride my bike more often (cuts down on my other energy storage), and dedicate my Cruiser to mountain mud-whore status.
Really, I'm just trying to add to the discussion rather than trying to slay anyone since its actually an interesting topic...
The one thing I do remember about hydrogen energy extraction was that it took nearly as much energy to harvest as it rendered in results. I mean, a rig with the drag coefficient of a tractor-truck is simply not going to get 40-50 mpg. You'd be hooking up the regional grid to expel enough energy to power your car...now consider the coal that was burned to do so (another fault of plu-in electric cars is the "hidden" contaminants of home electricity).
Are we talking cheap transportation or environmental transportation?
I'd love it to be true, but with the plummeting economy we are bound to see much more snake-oils being conned off by "wheeler-dealers" out to scam $$$ from desperate people. Me, I'll ride my bike more often (cuts down on my other energy storage), and dedicate my Cruiser to mountain mud-whore status.
Really, I'm just trying to add to the discussion rather than trying to slay anyone since its actually an interesting topic...
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Very well put and I agree. I am however still "hopefull" that some gains can be made with the hydrogen enhancement. The things are cheap to build so Ive made one (fun to play with anyways) and put it on my 89 suburban. Filled the tank yesterday so Ill be checking mileage over the next few weeks.
Also planning on adding one to the wifes 98 Accord and the sons 5.9 diesal truck, my dads getting in on the act and putting one on his NPR Isuzu box truck. (he's had it since new and has mileage records for the last 8-9 years)
Should give a good sample to verify if its a fraud, wishfull thinking or actually does something at all.
Again, Im sceptical but its very easy to make and check for myself. This is the route Im taking.
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I cannot see how 5-12 amps is so much energy to use to produce hydrogen. I know it produces very little hydrogen but I am not real knowledgeable about these kits yet.
The big thing isn't the combustion of the hydrogen itself, it's the effect the hydrogen apparently has on the combustion of the gasoline. Takes a lot of reading to get through the BS salesmanship, but the way I understand it (no expert, and no intention of buying/building one) is that it allows the mixture to be leaned out and the spark timing to be advanced to boost efficiency without the usual detriments.
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yeah dirty that flex fuel thing is rediculous and then the biodiesel thing doesnt work now because all the new diesel motors require i think low sulfur diesl now the government is producing svo in south america which is intended to be used for fuel consumption and i havent really looked into it but it sounds expensive. and rockdoc thats the way i interpreted it, it still sounds iffy though ill talk to my neighbor and find out more about it.
ULSD really has nothing to do with it. I see so many people who complain about sulfur being neccessary for viscosity. Unfortunately sulfur does nothing for a diesel motor (go ask a reputable diesel tuning shop), and has nothing to do with its lubrocity/viscosity/etc its a contaminate. Heck, I run B05/B10/B20/B50/B100/WVO, and regulare D2 diesel. I just make certain that I change my fuel filter every 5k miles rather than 10k as a precaution, and make certain my fuel is tested. They dont require ULSD, but rather the manufacturers are wary of blessing what might be an unregulated/contaminated fuel source (esp. on higher toleranced motors). They dont want to foot the bill if someone gets stupid, and I agree.
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As I checked this thread for interest I noticed on the display board: "Double Any Vehicle's MPG! Secret Technology THEY want to ban...$50"
Kinda the point I was sayin'.
Who at Mud allowed that advertisement? Send me one free to demo, and I'll let you know what it does to my TDi.
Kinda the point I was sayin'.
Who at Mud allowed that advertisement? Send me one free to demo, and I'll let you know what it does to my TDi.
You ever get some assistance from Specter
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It's a google ad put there automatically.
You ever get some assistance from Specter
Thanks for reminding me of what I (and they) had hoped to forget...and no. I never got word back from them even after I sent another letter.
Link: https://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-section/198991-specter-off-road-customer-service.html
