How much to install motor?

[dx379]

Guys,

I am presently having my 2F motor rebuilt, and was planning on having the people who are rebuilding it do the install. I took them the motor and asked them how much they would charge to install it back in the FJ. They said between $1000-$1500.

This seems a little excessive to me, and there is quite a difference between $1000 and $1500.

What is the install time to put a 2F motor into an FJ? Bear in mind, this charge is purely for install, nothing else. I am paying them separately for the rebuild.

Your thoughts?
Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

What is there shop labor rate? Here in the Central Valley of California it ranges from $60.00 an hour to $85.00 per hour. Most stops are kinda standing around looking for things to do.

For a fully smogged FJ60 2F (or 1981 - 1983 FJ40) a remove and replace would go for around $800. This is pulling the blown motor and instlling a rebuilt one and reconnecting everything correctly.

 

[dx379]

What is there shop labor rate? Here in the Central Valley of California it ranges from $60.00 an hour to $85.00 per hour. Most stops are kinda standing around looking for things to do.

For a fully smogged FJ60 2F (or 1981 - 1983 FJ40) a remove and replace would go for around $800. This is pulling the blown motor and instlling a rebuilt one and reconnecting everything correctly.

This is purely for replacement (not a pull as welll) with NO emissions included. We don't have emissions here so all that is pulled.

I feel it is a pretty hefty price tag, even at the $1000 mark. I am starting to think I should do it myself. They are already making $800 on a basic rebuild with me supplying the parts.

Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

Do it yourself.

Get a few club members and have a wrenching weekend. Super simple as long as you removed the engine and know where everything goes or have another one to look at while you are doing it.

 

[Pighead]

Your thoughts?

I think I could come and install your engine for a grand...It takes me a day to install an engine. All by myself. Get some buddies together and it might take half a day. Enough buddies and some beer cuts the time down to a couple hours...

 

[dx379]

Do it yourself.

Get a few club members and have a wrenching weekend. Super simple as long as you removed the engine and know where everything goes or have another one to look at while you are doing it.

I think I could come and install your engine for a grand...It takes me a day to install an engine. All by myself. Get some buddies together and it might take half a day. Enough buddies and some beer cuts the time down to a couple hours...

I didn't pull the motor, but lines are tagged so I should know where 90% of stuff goes. I have an F motor installed in my other FJ, so that may help a little.

I am new to the local FJ club and don't feel comfortable asking them to help me when I barely know their names...

Thank you guys for your responses.
Jonny

 

[Pighead]

A perfect time to learn the names of your fellow club members. A good club will not let a new member blow money foolishly...putting an engine in is like an old-time barn raising. Everybody will want to help. Many hands make light work, and many 'Cruiserheads make engine run.
But, Please, stop calling it an FJ.

I didn't pull the motor, but lines are tagged so I should know where 90% of stuff goes. I have an F motor installed in my other FJ, so that may help a little.

I am new to the local FJ club and don't feel comfortable asking them to help me when I barely know their names...

Thank you guys for your responses.
Jonny

 

[dx379]

A perfect time to learn the names of your fellow club members. A good club will not let a new member blow money foolishly...putting an engine in is like an old-time barn raising. Everybody will want to help. Many hands make light work, and many 'Cruiserheads make engine run.
But, Please, stop calling it an FJ.

Apologies - my Landcruiser

I have emailed the main local guy and am awaiting his response

Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

So what part of the country or world do you live in?

 

[dx379]

So what part of the country or world do you live in?

I live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. There is a "Green Country Landcruiser Club" that I have recently joined. Hopefully they can steer me in the right direction...

Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

I don't want to make this sound like it's a walk in the park for the first time installer. But, Mark Algazy installed a 2F in a Land Cruiser on his way to the FJ45 run. It took longer than expected because the fellow did not get off work on time and Mark had to wait around a bit.

Check and make sure you have everything you need like the front engine mounts, pilot bearing, etc.

The first one id kinda scary but after that, piece of cake.

 

[Pighead]

And what kind of LandCruisers do you own? Year and model? Pics are good too...we love pics.

 

[dx379]

I don't want to make this sound like it's a walk in the park for the first time installer. But, Mark Algazy installed a 2F in a Land Cruiser on his way to the FJ45 run. It took longer than expected because the fellow did not get off work on time and Mark had to wait around a bit.

Check and make sure you have everything you need like the front engine mounts, pilot bearing, etc.

The first one id kinda scary but after that, piece of cake.

Hopefulyl I won't have to do it more than once

And what kind of LandCruisers do you own? Year and model? Pics are good too...we love pics.

I own a 1972 40 and a 1970 40 (with 2F motor).

I will hopefully have pics when I can actually get the things out of the garage I own 2 of the things and have never actually gotten to drive one!

Jonny

 

[Pighead]

I own a 1972 40 and a 1970 40 (with 2F motor).
Jonny

Cool. Then you call each of them "My 40"...not "My FJ".
Practice until it comes naturally.

 

[dx379]

Cool. Then you call each of them "My 40"...not "My FJ".
Practice until it comes naturally.

I just spent my whole lunch break practicing. While it isn't yet coming naturally, there has been a marked improvement. I will report back when I have it "in the bag".

Jonny

 

[40Flipper]

I paid $1500 for a V-8 conversion including cutting and re-welding the motor mounts, pulling the old motor, also installing the new trans and Xfer.

 

[dx379]

I paid $1500 for a V-8 conversion including cutting and re-welding the motor mounts, pulling the old motor, also installing the new trans and Xfer.

That is an excellent price.

After speaking with some local members, and on the advice provided in this thread, I am going to give the install a shot myself.

My main worry is not having all the necessary bolts etc to get it all put back together. I figure that will be the greatest time spent in ordering all of the small parts.

That and I need to learn how to adjust a carburetor

One of the local guru's suggested I remove the front clip to install the motor. What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Regards,
Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

I'm glad that you are taking the challenge on. Get a FSM or at least the Haynes manual for your torgque specs. (You will not have the clutch alignment tool.)

It is easier to remove the front clip. Take pictures of you wire routing before you remove everything.

Four bolts on the bottom of each fender that go into the frame. Two fender bolts on each side that bolt the fender to the body. Two or three bolts per side of the bib. Three in the bottom of the bib and that is about it.

Start spraying the bolts with PB Blaster now. Maybe get your flywheel resurfaced if it need it?

 

[dx379]

I'm glad that you are taking the challenge on. Get a FSM or at least the Haynes manual for your torgque specs. (You will not have the clutch alignment tool.)

It is easier to remove the front clip. Take pictures of you wire routing before you remove everything.

Four bolts on the bottom of each fender that go into the frame. Two fender bolts on each side that bolt the fender to the body. Two or three bolts per side of the bib. Three in the bottom of the bib and that is about it.

Start spraying the bolts with PB Blaster now. Maybe get your flywheel resurfaced if it need it?

Thank you sir. I have a PDF file a member kindly sent me of the 2F. I will look through it to make sure that has the torque specs I need. Thanks for the guidance on the front clip removal. I have the room available so I think I will pull it off.

I bought a new clutch/flywheel etc so we are good to go there.

I will buy some PB Blaster at lunchtime

What is this tool you speak of? Is it an SST?

Jonny

 

[D'Animal]

It is generally a black piece of plastic about 6" long that should come with your clutch kit. It lines up the pressure plate with the pilot bearing in the end of the crankshaft. Once everything is lined up, finish bolting your pressure plate down.


Is yours a step flyhwheel or flat?