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Jim_Phillips

Jim_Phillips

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I've been on the look out for another cruiser since I sold my 80 series a year ago. Once in a while one catches my eye and you good people have been kind enough to answer the questions I have had.

I am going to look at an HJ60 tomorrow and believe I've found a beauty. It is a 6 cylinder diesel and was first registered in 1989. It has had one owner since new (a mechanic) and has only done 81,000 miles. The present owner is looking to sell because he has just bought an 80 series from his son. The 60 has never been off road and is used just for going on holiday when it tows a caravan. It is unmodified except for BFG tyres (a good choice in my opinion) and has chrome wheels (not so nice). He has also fitted a bull bar. For the last few years it has only done 2,500 miles a year. The milage is verifyable thanks to a system we have here in the UK.

Having never owned a 60 series before (or even been to look at one) what are the main things to check out? Are there any well know problem areas to watch out for?
Are there many other 60 owners here in this forum (or are you mostly 40 owners)
I do about 7,000 miles a year and intend to use this as my daily drive. I don't do anything very challenging off road but do a fair bit of shooting for which I need 4WD and plenty of boot space. Is this a practical proposition?

Thanks in advance, Jim :beer:
 
Like was said in another thread, check for rust. Look everywhere, thoguht the main hot-spots for rust are the rocker panels, the rear quarters, the upper and lower tailgates (or rear doors if it's got them instead) and also the inner front part of the front doors (where the hinges are). Oh ya, and under the rear carpet. 60s are getting older and older and rustier and rustier. If it's clean, I would jump on it.

Another thing that I thought I might bring up is the fact that the 60 is a leaf sprung vehicle. If you've been runnin' around in an 80, you might find it a little bouncy. Especially if you go lifting it (SUA still). Some people think it is a harsh ride. I personally don't mind it. I'm just saying to be ready for leafs if you've been runnin' around on coils.

I too love the cool paint job. I'm thinkin' with such low miles, it'll probably be pretty clean. Do it. The 60 is a kick ass trail truck that is still relatively comfortable on road.

-Ferg-
 
Ferg, Mike - thanks for the help. Mike, that's a great link - cheers. I'm off in an hour to look at the beast - will post back later on how it went....

Ch :beer:eers, Jim
 
I just bought myself a new truck :D

I went over it inch by inch. There is a little rust on the drivers side door just below the window. There is also a little in the wheel arches but nothing serious. The rear doors are fine and the chassis looks better than my old '97 80 series. There is a little oil on the engine (US drivers side) but just a colouration from oil rather than a drip drip kind of leak. The interior is pretty smart. It had a new starter motor 5 years ago. The front birfields have been recently packed with grease. The only slight concern was it vibrated a bit when first started from cold - there is a hand throttle which when applied to increase the engine revs smoothed out the vibration. Once warm the engine ran smoothly at normal (500rpm?) revs. There was also a bit of a knack to change from first to second gear without crunching the gear. This seemed to improve as the gearbox warmed up (or did I just improve on my technique?) Changing down from 2nd to first was problem free. Hi/Low and 4WD all worked OK. It has had new fron spring hangers (just the fron ones) on both sides. The bushings looked old and cracked - is there a source for new ones?

I plan to pick it up on Saturday ....

Jim
 
Congrats on the new truck. I've got a gasser, but am curious to drive a diesel - I hear such great things about them.

I bet that SOR (spectre off road) has bushings. If the bushings for the HJ60 are the same as for the FJ60, then CCOT, MAF, JT, etc all have bushings too. Cruiserdan and a dealer are probably options too...
 
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I just bought myself a new truck :D [/quote]


Ok, I'm jealous. Congrats!

There is a little oil on the engine (US drivers side) but just a colouration from oil rather than a drip drip kind of leak.
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Just one small oil weep? You have no idea how lucky you are. :)

The only slight concern was it vibrated a bit when first started from cold - there is a hand throttle which when applied to increase the engine revs smoothed out the vibration. Once warm the engine ran smoothly at normal (500rpm?) revs.
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Hard running at startup is normal for a diesel in colder weather. Was it accompanied by a bit of white smoke? This'd be normal, especially as it went away when it warmed up.

The bushings looked old and cracked - is there a source for new ones?
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Try your local Toyota dealer before going to aftermarket suspension bushings. They're generally cheap enough (at least here in the US). Unless you want to "upgrade" to polyurethane.

Post some interioir, rear and underbonnet pics for us in the US who don't get to see these too much. My FJ-60 has the liftgate/tailgate. Are you saying yours has barn doors? That I'd like to see.

Cheers!
 
Rosco - they are just down the raod from me - thanks. Seems they can help with most regular service items.

hj60 - no smoke on start up - I suppose the vibration is normal. I picked up the truck on Saturday and drove it 100 miles home. The exhaust is blowing slightly which I need to look into. There is an oil patch under the truck this morning which upon closer inspection turns out to diesel - It's dripping down off the front diff - I need to work out where from (injector pump?)

Does a 2H engine have a timing belt/chain? Any ideas how often this has to be changed ?

Thank all... I will post some pics tomorrow (digicam at work)

Jim
 
for diesel leaks, check the priming pump as well, these commonly (in my experiences) go through seals pretty easily, just follow the fuel line till you find a little hand pump thing.... the rough startup is pretty normal, my hj45 has been doing it for 3 years and isn't dead yet...

injector pump is another area for diesel leak, as are around the injectors, and any line fittings, such as where the pump and the injector lines meet, where the lines meet the injector pump, also check for cracked fuel lines, especially where the line joins the fuel filter/ filters (probably has 2)

also check that the bung is in tight in your water trap (glass bowl under the first fuel filter usually) as these trap dieselly water so it don't go through the system... these bungs loosen occasionally.

the rough startup is pretty normal, my hj45 has been doing it for 3 years and isn't dead yet... i've been told that it can be due to only starting up on 5 cylinders... due to the front most cylinder not warming properly... this is common apparently.

as for exaust smoke, only really worry (a little anyway) if the smoke is blue... if it is black it's just unburnt fuel, common in a diesel, especially under load. white smoke can indicate air is getting into the system (hey air in the system and a diesel leak sound like they could be related :) )

have fun. don't worry too much, those engines are pretty tough, ohh

and welcome back to the dark side :)
 
Easy way to spot a dieael leak is too look for a dirty spot with a really clean spot in the middle. (The clean spot will be where the fuel is coming out under pressure.) Then look for the nearest fuel component to the clean spot and work your way back. Relatively simple, if you can find the clean spot.
 
Oh, yeah, this only applies if it's a pressure leak.
Some times they aren't, but most are.

Oh, and white smoke is also called "cold smoke." Usually happens at startup
for a few seconds/minutes, depending on outside temperatures. It's just
ineficient combustion until the block warms up a bit. Could also be air in the
system, too, but less likely unless it's persistent.
 
Could also be air in the
system, too, but less likely unless it's persistent.

just suggested this as if he has a leak in the system, and it is blowing white smoke, it could be linked, if fuel can get out, air can get in. the 3 types of leak i have had have all been low pressure leaks, one around the injector line, one around the fuel filter, and one at the primer pump.

does it sometimes feel like it loses a little bit of power
 
Good diagnosis - thanks for the help. It looks like the primer pump is the cause of the leak. Do I need to get a seal from Toyota or would anyone trust a little gasket goo for this one?

There is no smoke on start up. My worry was that the truck vibrated like hell when first started. This goes away when you increase the revs a little with the choke. Once the engine is warm it runs nicely with the choke back in.

I have another little problem with the power steering (posted in the main section) When parking - with the steering wheel on full lock, there is a kind of pulsating shudder. Any ideas as to why.

With 2 sections covering 60's, what's the best approach? Do I keep diesel related probs in this section and all others in the main section?

Cheers, Jim
 
[quote author=Jim_Phillips link=board=21;threadid=12057;start=msg113021#msg113021 date=1078149296]
Here's a pic of my priming pump - looks like the culprit don't you think?
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Jim,

When you try to prime it with the primer, does fuel leak all over your hands? Remove the primer from the injection pump, put your thumb on the hole and pull on the plunger, does it leak air? Now, do the opposite, push down on the plunger, does the air escape past the seals? If it does either or both you need a new primer pump.

The seals for the pump is not available separately AFAIK. The automotive ToyotaUSA dealer does not carry the primer either (PN 22501-77021). I got mine at a Toyota Industrial Parts dealer (forklift, etc.) It is Denso number 092130-0220.

Dave
 
Thanks for that Dave - I'll give it a go. When I take the pump off, am I going to let air into the syatem that could cause problems? Am I likely to ever need this pump?

Jim
 
Small amount of air, but that is what the primer pump is for. Just open a crack the valve on the fuel filter base and primer the system until the air is out. You will need the pump for changing filters, etc.

Dave
 
yes you will need the primer pump. also if you ever run out of fuel, replace the head, change filters... the list goes on. the shudder in the PS sounds natural from all the experiences i've had with power steering, back off the steering a little...

from what i remember the pump isn't really rebuildable... replacement only.
 
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