Help Need a Dana 60 with ABS for and FJ Cruiser (1 Viewer)

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Ok here is some ABS101, take it from me, I swapped FZJ80 axles under my LR Discovery2, which is a truck that takes alot of info from wheelspeed sensors.

First off, almost all (except optical sensors on high end euro cars) WSS's are made up of notched rings on a hub body, and a magnetic sensor/probe. The probe reads the RPM of the ring through the tick marks. This then sends an AC sine wave back to the computer, the computer then translates it into a speed signal. So basically this means you could take your FJC and plug in the WSS from an FZJ80, a Dodge 3500, a Ford Focus, or a Land Rover, and you will get a reading from the sensor. Problem is, you probably will not get an accurate reading. It will be off by a certain percentage, like my truck with FZJ80 wheel speed sensors hookd up to Rover computer, I have to multiply the speed i see on the speedo by 1.6 to get my actual speed. This can be fixed (i am working on it) there is a company in michigan who sells an AC sine wave progressive converter to fix this problem, however you would need one per wheelspeed sensor, and these boxes are about $200 each. The WSS itself does not care what tire you have on it, but the computer does, your speedo will run slow because of it.

Next big thing i dont think anyone has mentioned, ABS computers are very picky with speed signals. If you have a Dana 60 from a ford it is going to most likely output a slower speed signal than youre rear OEM wheelspeed sensors. This will either cause ABS to kick in and try to correct the difference it sees between front and rear wheels, or it will just fault the system and turn it off and turn on your ABS light. To correct this problem you would then need to go buy $400 of AC sine wave correction boxes, and even then its a hit or miss.

Now if you were getting a pair of axles from a stuporduty or ram this would work. All 4 wheelspeed sensors would be the same and output the same signal. The signal would probably be off, as in reads slow on the speedo, but the ABS computer sees that all wheels are rotating at the same speed when going straight so the computer does not care that its recieveing a slow signal because the system is designed to function at any speed so it will work.

Honestly, no matter how good the ABS controlled traction system is, it wont beat locking diffs. I hate ABS on the road, and pulled all of the fuses on my discovery once the locked 80 axles went in. I only have the 2 rear sensors hooked up, and almost all ABS computers that control speedometer are designed to be able to run a signal to the speedometer from just one sensor, if for some reason the other 3 fail. Having said this, your best bet would be to get your Dana 60 front and not run sensors, keep your rear sensors attached, and just unplug your abs fuse. If you have a lifted truck on 35s or 37s ABS is not going to do much for you in terms of preventing a rollover anyways. Just my $.02
 
Maybe you should read the previous posts before you post.

The FJ does not have conventional wheel speed sensors that put out a sine wave. They have a high tech magnetic resistance element sensor that outputs a digital signal. Also it does not have a toothed pick up wheel or tone ring. Rather it has a signal wheel with numerous north and south magnetic poles.

So not much of what you added applies to his question. The skid control ECU in the FJ needs to see a digital input, and one that is different forward and backward. Without the skid control ECU kicks a light on and does absolutely nothing.
 
I spent a little time looking through some Dodge FSMs.

Apparently the techs do not need to know pulses per revolution or pulses per minute at a given speed. The WSS measures pulses or it does not. Techs don't have to diagnose problems dealing with the number of pulses. They check presence or absence of signal, not the frequency. They are given specs for resistance in the wss and air gap between the wss and the tone wheel.

The scan tool doesn't tell you pulses either. It tells you mph/kph. If you change tire sizes you don't figure the number of pulses, you input tire size.

This is good to know. Hopefully the old school ABS all work that way ? I'm thinking about retrofitting a '89 supra ABS into my 2WD hilux.

thanks for the info
 
Timmy, what ever you do make sure yhat you slow down into the corners pal! and good luck.:grinpimp: :beer:
 
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scondly Thou shalt listen to the shop teacher.
Dont listen to the guy running Lucas Electrics.
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I'm not saying this will work but a potential option would be to put wheel bearings and sensors from an A-TRAC vehicle (03+ 4runner, FJZ100, Sequoia, FJ) into a different housing. Your best bet for a housing that "might" be compatible would probably be an 80 since it's at least Toyota...

It will DEFINITELY need custom work to install the sensor and bearings, unless by some freak miracle you can find a bearing that has the EXACT dimensions of an 80 both OD and ID.

Did the Prodo's, Hilux's or non-US LC's ever come with A-TRAC and a solid front axle? If so then it would probably be cheaper and easier to import one of those.

Either way good luck and way to think outside the box.
 

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