PabloCruise
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honk said:
Oh my... That is just a rough go
help cooper the puppy
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Oh my... That is just a rough go
Please stop asking you to put the dog down? First I am sorry for saying this and I suspect that this will make you uspset, but lets flip this around. Please stop being so cruel to your dog. Its selfish to put a dog through the pain and suffering they must endure to satisfy your desires and/or inability to cope with letting go. The more humane thing to do is to put the dog down.
I have worked at a vet clinic. I have seen this before. Ask your vet about success rate and potential consequences of surgery, and the risk of arthritic issues post surgery. What you dont get to see is what happens in surgery. Its a viscious surgery. It will take months to recover if everything goes ok and possibly the dogs lifetime if things dont go ok. Its tantamount to being hit by a car. Think of all the Physio you would have to endure to recover and if you would be pain free after it. Also ask yourself if you are fully aware of all the other medical issues this dog might have that could cause further suffering.
Yeah dogs are easy to develope an attachment to, but dont confuse a wagging tail as conveyance of the message "hi how are ya? I really wanna be near ya. I am really happy right now", with "I am in pain please, help me wise human". I just recently had to put down the best dog I ever knew and will likely ever know. It hurt like hell, but it was the most humane thing to do.
Karl
P.S. Ya know on second thought I am not sorry about saying what I said. How dare you ask others to help you make a dog suffer just so you can be selfish then put a pox on my cruiser? A cruiser is just a cruiser. Its metal and glass and rubber and plastic. You want to make another living thing suffer. A pox on you for that.
I have worked at a vet clinic. I have seen this before. Ask your vet about success rate and potential consequences of surgery, and the risk of arthritic issues post surgery. What you dont get to see is what happens in surgery. Its a viscious surgery. It will take months to recover if everything goes ok and possibly the dogs lifetime if things dont go ok. Its tantamount to being hit by a car. Think of all the Physio you would have to endure to recover and if you would be pain free after it. Also ask yourself if you are fully aware of all the other medical issues this dog might have that could cause further suffering.
Yeah dogs are easy to develope an attachment to, but dont confuse a wagging tail as conveyance of the message "hi how are ya? I really wanna be near ya. I am really happy right now", with "I am in pain please, help me wise human". I just recently had to put down the best dog I ever knew and will likely ever know. It hurt like hell, but it was the most humane thing to do.
Karl
P.S. Ya know on second thought I am not sorry about saying what I said. How dare you ask others to help you make a dog suffer just so you can be selfish then put a pox on my cruiser? A cruiser is just a cruiser. Its metal and glass and rubber and plastic. You want to make another living thing suffer. A pox on you for that.
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PabloCruise
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Lets all just cool off a little bit...
These are some pretty emotional times when you loved one(s) are hurting.
Add a little financial stress and no one is on their game.
Cut some slack, be kinder than necessary
These are some pretty emotional times when you loved one(s) are hurting.
Add a little financial stress and no one is on their game.
Cut some slack, be kinder than necessary
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guys, it's jason aka dfcruiserguy, i know that most of you are very outspoken, i have seen so on many a chit-chat thread, i should've ended this thread a long time ago, i guess it was sheer immaturity that expected a large flow of cash from this group, after all we're cruiser owners, "we're not in it for the economics." I haven't enjoyed the scolding comments from my mom about how everyone on mud is evil because you say put the dog down, I personally understand your point of view and am confused as to what to do, i'm not a boy but not yet a man and this is a very emotional burden. I'm sorry for instigating this unrest on the forum and respectfully ask admin to please delete the thread.
~Jason Muise
fj60 owner
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~Jason Muise
fj60 owner
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dfcruiserguy said:
Sorry for the life lesson on this one. To delete the thread, got to your first post, and click on edit down at the bottom. Then click delete. That will remove the entire thread. Hope that there are no hard feelings.
TJDIV
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Hey Jason.......
how old are you?
[straight up question, just asking]
I don't think you should put the dog down if you don't want to put the dog down. If the cost severely affects your family's finances, then you should consider that option however.
You can't put a dog above and beyond the household, unless of course all those involved in financial contributions to the household agree to "do what it takes" by way of sacrifice of personal wants and wishes to keep you dog.
I'm not heartless, but I'm not one to get all heartbroken over a bad run of luck for an animal either.
Do what feels right, to the extent of your abilities and you'll be glad you did either way.
And don't judge yourself using hindsight when it's all said and done.
how old are you?
[straight up question, just asking]
I don't think you should put the dog down if you don't want to put the dog down. If the cost severely affects your family's finances, then you should consider that option however.
You can't put a dog above and beyond the household, unless of course all those involved in financial contributions to the household agree to "do what it takes" by way of sacrifice of personal wants and wishes to keep you dog.
I'm not heartless, but I'm not one to get all heartbroken over a bad run of luck for an animal either.
Do what feels right, to the extent of your abilities and you'll be glad you did either way.
And don't judge yourself using hindsight when it's all said and done.
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i'm 17, one of the vets consulting us has a bernese that went through the same thing and the dog has recovered wonderfully, which the vet said is common. My parents have decided cooper will have the operation, and i believe that if some sacrifices have to be made to save the pup's life then by all means i'll grow fond of pb&j, all in all. The professional medical staff which we have consulted and a couple of good 'ole owners have recommended the surgery and believe that euthanasia is proposterous, but i'm not a vet, and he's not MY dog. MY dog was put down in april and the feeling of him dying in my arms will be a feeling that haunts me for the rest of my life. I'll leave this short post up for everyone to see, the surgery is not my decision, and i'm only 17, yes, which would be why i'm always asking for cruiser help on here, so please don't rag on me for keeping the dog alive.
Jason, I really respect you man, you are wise way beyond your years. For what its worth I dont think that the majority of fine folks here were trying to rag on you but simply trying to offer their opinions. You know what opinions are like and yes some of the opinions offered on this thread stink but I do think that they were all offered with helpful wishes. Anyways, I really do respect you and am sorry for the feelings you are going through. Putting down my Bismark, while he was in my arms and after being my best friend for years and years was awful but again that was after having him for years and years (almost twelve). If I had to consider that at six months I would simply shrivel with severe sadness and even after that, still not know what to do. Anyways, good luck to you and your family and an amazingly good long life to Cooper! Please dont delete the thread but please do let us know after awhile how Cooper is. Again, much respect to you man. 
dfcruiserguy said:
Not trying to be hard on you Jason and I'm sorry if my or any of our comments about putting your pup down startled you. Really sorry for your situation and I understand how your Mom is upset with my , and others, comments. Sometimes dealing with an unhealthy animal is a very harsh reality. I have been had many German Shepards in my house for 30 years and I have had to put down every one that lived with me sept one and It is the hardest thing to do. I love and loved every one of my best friends and as recently as three years ago I had to put down a 6 month old puppy because of the very same issues you are facing today. We all have opinions about what is best for the pets in our care and that decission is yours and yours alone. In my latest case it was the opinion of the owner, the Vets and the breeder that the best thing for the health and comfort for the pup was to put him down and so it was done. My current friend is turning 12 this year and I am again looking towards the day when I will again be faced with a most difficult decision and I do not want to face that day but it will come and I need to face that fact
. Good luck with your pup and we all wish you the best with your friend.
lowenbrau
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Forgive the smartass comments. Paypal sent. Good luck with the recovery. That fawkin Cooper better send me a Christmas card.
C6H12O6
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I don't mean to fan a dying fire, but...
Consider this alternate hypothetical scenario: I have owned an FJ60 for six months. If I was planning on a bling-fabulous $4000 paint job on this sentimental, always wanted one, favorite truck ever, regardless of the fact that the future of this truck realistically include several thousand dollars in body work, rust repair, new transmission, new transfer case, new suspension, electrical work, engine rebuild/replacement, steering, brakes, etc., etc., I would expect others here to offer up a few contrary opinions.
In reality, you got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. Many of the people here have been excited to get started on a project truck, then junked it upon learning what the future commitment to that project would really entail.
I just said good night to my favorite dog ever on the couch. I can't imagine having to make that choice with him. I really do feel for you. Hopefully your dog lives either a very long happy life, or a very short happy life. Good luck with a painful decision and good luck to the dog.
Consider this alternate hypothetical scenario: I have owned an FJ60 for six months. If I was planning on a bling-fabulous $4000 paint job on this sentimental, always wanted one, favorite truck ever, regardless of the fact that the future of this truck realistically include several thousand dollars in body work, rust repair, new transmission, new transfer case, new suspension, electrical work, engine rebuild/replacement, steering, brakes, etc., etc., I would expect others here to offer up a few contrary opinions.
In reality, you got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. Many of the people here have been excited to get started on a project truck, then junked it upon learning what the future commitment to that project would really entail.
I just said good night to my favorite dog ever on the couch. I can't imagine having to make that choice with him. I really do feel for you. Hopefully your dog lives either a very long happy life, or a very short happy life. Good luck with a painful decision and good luck to the dog.
This is what chat's for. Don't apologize for attempting to help a wonderful animal. At the same time, segregate your emotions a little bit and use this thread as an opportunity to learn what a lot of folks never bother to do. What I mean by that is there are many, many uneducated dog owners in this country. Pounds, humane societys, rescues, they are all overflowing with animals that folks committed to and then dumped on someone else with no reason at all or a problem like you are dealing with.dfcruiserguy said:
I applaud your family's commitment to keep Cooper. But please be aware that Cooper's breeder is the irresponsible individual in this scenario. A responsible, reputable breeder would never propagate this sort of health problem in the breed, and would ensure there were no preexisting health problems prioring to selling the pup as well as take the pup back should any problems develop (healthwise, behavior issues, etc). I think every person on this board sympathizes with the difficult decision you faced and with the financial burden that will come from the decision you made. Separate the emotional reactions though, and utilize this experience as an opportunity to become a better informed, more responsible dog owner.
PabloCruise
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dfcruiserguy said:
Jason,
It is times/decisions like these that make men out of boys - this is the real deal.
It is an amazing honor and privilege to be responsible for the health and well-being of another living creature. These privileges cme with some pretty large responsibilities. If you accept the responsibilities of your choices, congratulations, you are an adult.
There are a lot of amazing medical procedures out there. Sometimes it is hard to guage what is appropriate for individual scenarios. I think it is difficult to get a sense of context in an online forum. I think people were grasping with the question of "Is this surgery appropriate for Cooper?" Hereditary and congenital defects are true heartbreakers. My first Shepherd (my own, not my parents) needed hip surgery. Those were difficult times. Years later, he needed my help saying goodbye. You are right, that experience will be with you forever.
I am glad you and your kin will go forward with the surgery!!!
Best of luck and let us know how Cooper does!