GOD Winch build and install (4 Viewers)

[Tin Tin]

DEar All,

After looking at the rainforrest challenge videos and seeing their vehicles and GOD winches, I was like .

After a long while of thinking pros vs cons,
dangers of high speed winching, chassis breaking, broken gearbox or pto gear and all of that, I was like Yeah, lets go for it!

For a while I searched and searched and found some info.
I contacted a a good fellow in Malaysia and says its a blast.

 

[Tin Tin]

the winch is going to be installed on a 40 series.
There is one tread written by Cicak of him installing one on his
70 series with a suped up 13BT.

I have a stock 2B, and should be enough to god winch.
With a 2F I dont think it is possible, no room to put the radiator,
no room for the PTO drive shaft. You guys have to prove me wrong!

There are big differences installing it on the 40.

Please note Im located in Suriname in South Amerika.
My build is based on videos and pictures I have seen of riggs in Malaysia mostly.
I have no measurements, nobody here that has even heard of a god winch, so I hope it comes out well.

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To install the winch you will need to cut out the entire chassis
crossmember located under the bezel, before doing this please fixate
the chassis or you will crack a schakle hanger like I did.
Remove the radiator, batteries, gril and bezel, front bumper.

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Start fitting the prado 90 series diff.
You will have to turn it upside down, with the flat side
and the bolt holes towards the chassis and the oil seal where the drum will be.
I flattend the diff 4MM to get it more to the right side to allign it to
the PTO, I also cut out another 5 or 6 mm out of the chassis.

Since I cut out the cross member I will have to reinforce it in another place, where the bumper will be.
We used a piece of 100mm angled piece of steel, bend it on the sides, to function as chassis and bumper.

See the attached pictures of the progress,
I hope this does not take to long....

 

[Tin Tin]

 

[Tin Tin]

 

[Tin Tin]

pics removed

 

[Tin Tin]

are these pictures good enough and visable??

more to come as it progresses.

 

[fattires]

pic quality is fine & dandy

 

[Tin Tin]

pic quality is fine & dandy

great!

the drum is going to be 12 inch in diameter and about 8 to 12 inch wide depending on the room available.

12'' inch diameter, 8 wide, and a core diameter of 3 to 3.5 it will hold about 40 to 45 meters of 7/16th cable.
I will use synthetic rope to cut down on weight since this is going to be very heavy winch with the solid shaft and diff itself, and maybe even use a smaller diameter rope and gain even more lengt of rope on the drum.

I dont think it will have a shearpin, for my oem pto winch I used a grade 5 6mm bolt, and for this one the weak link will be the cable...

we are making a shaft that is solid, pics will come when finished.
There are some pics on the net that show this.
It will get locking mechanism simular to the oem pto winch.[/ATTACH]

these pics are from the web, mine will be pretty much the same but the diff less shiny!

 

[Tin Tin]

where can I get hawse fairleads 8, 10 or 12 inch wide, and suitable for 7/16 rope and smaller, I searched a bit but they seem to we made for exciting winches?

 

[Josie'sLandCruiser]

Hi All,

When you say 8, 10 or 12 inch wide are you referring to the width of the entire fairlead, or just the opening for the cable?

Will you be using wire cable, or synthetic rope on this winch?

Regards,

Alan

 

[Tin Tin]

I want to use synthetic since the entire thing is going to be very
heavy.
Safety, easy of use etc I vind attactive.

As for the hawse fairlead size I mean the slot in witch the rope will be.
I see them being measured from bolt hole to bolt hole which I find
rediculus.

stock pto winch is 8 inch wide.


In Cicaks tread he says they use 11mm (7/16) steel cable of 1/2'' plasma.

Plasma is stronger so you could use 3/8'', why 1/2??

 

[Aussie 25]

God Winch.
You will need GOD to keep you safe with that. These arnt like a normal winch with a worm drive, when you stop driving the winch [push the cluch in] under load they just unwind, the biger the load the faster they unwind.
i had experence with a winch the same dezine on a WW2 chev blitz. The winch was center mounted and used as the lift wire on the rear crain. It has a fast recovery but if you wernt fast enough with the winch break the load was on the ground and you had a tangle on the winch.
Your build looks good, r you putting a break on it?

 

[Tin Tin]

the winch is fast, tricky and yeah.. a bit dangerous.
I wont be putting on a brake, for now, maybe a little disc brake on the drive shaft.

It will be getting used to and practice.
Check this vid of god winching and also winching downhill backwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxZfGcVX4eo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1yKss4AYAM

there are a bunch more videos you can look up on youtube.

 

[Tin Tin]

This vehicle has a god winch. I attached the pic for you to see the winch rope hook with the spring to keep on tension.
The winch hook holder has a spring that is pulling, but it does not freespool??? how come.....

yeah I know, Im building it.. but I have never used or seen a god winch in person yet.

Any ideas on a brake mechanism and doing things like winching back wards downhill. I understand that 99% of all god winches don't have a auto or even manual brake.
It then seems impossible to go backwards downhill.
But they still do it, are they slipping clutches?

 

[Tin Tin]

Plasma vs Steel.....

In Cicak's god winch install tread he says they use 7/16 steel cable or 1/2 plasma, plasma is way stronger so why thicker thaan the steel cable.
Is plasma winch rope more prone to breaking when shock loaded
compared to steel?

Please help with all these questions, as to leave no blank spots in the tread and that It can be used by others in the future.
And help me with my build!

 

[subzali]

So the theory here is your PTO winch has way higher gearing than a worm-drive PTO, making the line speed incredibly high? But that also has the reverse effect of making it easier to stall the engine out, as is apparent from the videos on the really steep sections. Also, as was mentioned above, you don't have the worm drive gear to provide a brake, so the line will unspool almost as easily as it is run in.

Does GOD stand for anything, like PTO does? Or is it just the name given by the crazy Malaysians?

 

[Tin Tin]

when going downhill (backwards) you need to put the gearbox in reverse,

youl go down fast, but not uncontrolled like when freespooling,
I hope!!

 

[Tin Tin]

Wuts up,

Im building a god winch for my bj40,
I started a tread in the 40 series section, but since I don't get many positive or helpful replies and it being a hardcore winch I decided to rewrite and continue here.

Anyone interested in pics, info, answering some of my questions??

 

[Tin Tin]

this tread is being continued in the harcore corner.
Ques it belong there.
Sorry for the mix up.

 

[Tin Tin]

What is a god winch?

a god winch is a pto winch.
It differs from common pto winches because it does not use a worm gearing, it uses a differential gearing, in this case a 90 series prado ifs diff with a 4.11 gearing making it very fast.

down sides
- is it does not have a braking mechanism like a electric or worm
gear, it can "freespool''.
- it is very heavy
- it is not for sale in most places, so needs to be build yourself
- it is huge and will need some big modificatins to the vehicle.
- it can be very dangerous....

pros...
- it is very very fast
- it is very strong, it can snap 7/16 wire cable
(I have seen many broken oem pto winches that broke themselves
instead of 3/8 cable)
- it can hold a lot of winch rope, if you put on a big drum