Gawdamm nanny BS… (1 Viewer)

[joseywales]

Ok. I’ve had enough. Somebody must know of a way to permanently shut off all the damn “safety” bull**** in these things. I just about got killed today when I hooked up a trailer and tried to back it into my driveway. The damn thing wouldn’t let me back up as it kept “sensing an impending collision”. It locks the brakes up and you can’t move. Yes, all the acronyms on the dash were off. PCS, RCTA, Park Sense, Safe Exit. ALL of it was turned off and the effing thing kept hammering the brakes on.

I’m over it. Is there a dingle or dangle or whatever the cool kids are calling it that can be purchased and plugged in to turn this s*** off???

 

[tacoshawn]

Look for a button like this. Note this is image from my GX OM.

 

[joseywales]

That’s the “Park Sense” button. It’s off. The dash is lit up like a Christmas tree telling me how I am about to die as I have turned EVERYTHING off, and can’t possibly drive the vehicle without all these “safety features”, yet the truck is still trying to kill me. I had a big red warning saying BRAKE and THROTTLE PEDAL DEPRESSED alternately as the only way I could get out of traffic was revving the thing to 3500 and feathering the brake to trick it. These safety features are going to get people killed.

 

[bj70bc]

you aint doin it right bud, my new tundra is the same, turn it off correctly its fine, it IS designed to be used with a trailer or offroad.... as tall grass will set shiit off if you DONT push the right button, welcome to the future dude, go buy a 1986 70 series ( i did ) aint no safety ANYTHING, including the fully steel dash no air bags or ABS ...and i love it

 

[berry802]

Ok. I’ve had enough. Somebody must know of a way to permanently shut off all the damn “safety” bull**** in these things. I just about got killed today when I hooked up a trailer and tried to back it into my driveway. The damn thing wouldn’t let me back up as it kept “sensing an impending collision”. It locks the brakes up and you can’t move. Yes, all the acronyms on the dash were off. PCS, RCTA, Park Sense, Safe Exit. ALL of it was turned off and the effing thing kept hammering the brakes on.

I’m over it. Is there a dingle or dangle or whatever the cool kids are calling it that can be purchased and plugged in to turn this s*** off??

Are you using the 7 or 4 pin when connecting your trailer lights? I believe all the nanny stuff turns off when using the 7 pin, at least from what I've read.

 

[calokie]

you aint doin it right bud, my new tundra is the same, turn it off correctly its fine, it IS designed to be used with a trailer or offroad.... as tall grass will set shiit off if you DONT push the right button, welcome to the future dude, go buy a 1986 70 series ( i did ) aint no safety ANYTHING, including the fully steel dash no air bags or ABS ...and i love it

Wave of the future, Dude.
Yea well, I still jerk off manually

 

[Jetboy]

That's frustrating. I've had two similar experiences. Once was in Italy in a rental Skoda (I think) - it was a diesel manual with stop/start (I didn't know it was a start/stop engine) and it stopped in the middle of an intersection and wouldn't re-start. Not button, on/off, nothing I could do would get it to re-start. People honking at the stupid American. Ugh. Turns out it needed to be "on" and then in neutral and depress and hold the clutch to get a re-start. Jesus it was frustrating - I never expected a diesel with a manual transmission to just shut off mid intersection.

The other was a rental Ram truck about 10 years ago that was doing the same thing as yours. I was towing and needed to back into a parking spot and it ever time I would turn my head to look out to see the trailer it would slam the transmission into park. Again being a rental I had no idea how to fix it or what to do. So there I was blocking traffic on my phone trying to google how to make the f***ing thing move in reverse. I never really figured it out other than you can't turn or try to look out the window or basically move a lot during backing or it decides you're not in the seat and it auto-parks and puts on the brakes.

Hope you get it sorted out! I'm a big fan of modern tech generally, but it needs to be implemented well. This is a case where the vehicle should recognize a trailer. Perfect place to implement an AI software to try to be a little smarter about identifying what's behind you and when it needs to stop.

One think I often wonder about is what if you actually want to run into something? It's rare - but maybe it's a soft snow drift or tumbleweed in the road and you are going fast in the back country and just want to blow through it? - Is it going to slam your brakes? It's really hard for the sensors to distinguish between a kid, a dog, and a blowing grocery bag in the wind.

 

[joseywales]

Are you using the 7 or 4 pin when connecting your trailer lights? I believe all the nanny stuff turns off when using the 7 pin, at least from what I've read.

It does it with both. I own a company that builds custom Airstream trailers and sometimes need to move trailers with zero wiring.

My service manager (a South African gentleman with a crap ton of “real” Land Cruiser experience) tried to shut it off for me with no success. He has a new Tacoma and said he can’t back up with his bikes on the hitch rack either. This is a serious safety issue. What if you are pulling out onto a road where your view is blocked, see an oncoming semi truck and can’t back out of the way??

I understand there are people who actually NEED this stuff (should they really be driving??), but it should be 100% disabled if desired. And not every time you start the car.

 

[joseywales]

you aint doin it right bud, my new tundra is the same, turn it off correctly its fine, it IS designed to be used with a trailer or offroad.... as tall grass will set shiit off if you DONT push the right button, welcome to the future dude, go buy a 1986 70 series ( i did ) aint no safety ANYTHING, including the fully steel dash no air bags or ABS ...and i love it

I have EVERYTHING turned off. Maybe it’s an issue with my particular LC?

I still have my ‘97 Tacoma (600,000) and ‘03 Sequoia (400,000) that I use mostly, but the Sequoia had the boat hitched to it and the Taco needed its clutch bled, so I used the LC.

 

[joseywales]

I'm a big fan of modern tech generally, but it needs to be implemented well. This is a case where the vehicle should recognize a trailer. Perfect place to implement an AI software to try to be a little smarter about identifying what's behind you and when it needs to stop.

One think I often wonder about is what if you actually want to run into something? It's rare - but maybe it's a soft snow drift or tumbleweed in the road and you are going fast in the back country and just want to blow through it? - Is it going to slam your brakes? It's really hard for the sensors to distinguish between a kid, a dog, and a blowing grocery bag in the wind.

Exactly. Modern tech done “well” is great. I tried putting a 7 pin test plug in it so it would read resistance and hopefully see it as a trailer (simple solution, and my service manger tried on his Taco too) but it didn’t work for either of us.

The tall grass etc setting it off really sucks!

 

[Zill]

That was one of my biggest gripes with the new LC. Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 is very intrusive and quite obnoxious where many nannys automatically come back on every time you start the vehicle. FCTA and this backup brake to name a couple.

Toyota needs to think about who they’re selling cars to. Insurance companies and the government, or consumers who are buying your car?

Ironically, the monthly insurance premiums for my LC 250 were around $240 a month, while my 2016 LC was $140. So all the new fragile sensors on these vehicles to sense the Nannie’s features, actually end up hiking up the premiums. That’s why small fender benders easily cost 10k+ to fix now.

 

[Rednexus]

Yikes. I can't help but wonder how easy it is to disable to module. On my current GX - and an old Subaru - I installed a system to temporarily disconnect the brake fluid level sensor - which will defeat ABS/VSC/ATRAC etc on both rigs. I'm guessing everything is much more integrated on a MY2025+ vehicle, potentially making such a simple solution not possible.

FWIW, I find older vehicles that are easy to see out of just as safe as modern vehicles with active safety systems (most of which have significantly worse visibility and bigger blind spots). Perhaps Toyota etc. could simply improve the visibility of their vehicles in lieu of complex, expensive, and intrusive safety systems .

 

[OSS]

FJ60 is looking pretty good right about now...

 

[surfishjoe]

I towed my boat with new landcruiser, hit one button - no nannies at all no issues backing up, maybe mine is broken?

 

[rexington14]

Safety systems that can't be turned off, constant beeping, bad visibility, high belt lines, auto start/stop, 10+ speed gear hunting transmissions with questionable tuning, little to no manual transmission options, no physical buttons, multiple drive modes with infinite settings & configuration buried in menus, multiple screens (LX), feature and gimmick creep, etc, etc.

Just goes to show there's so much more wrong with the new stuff than the commonly parroted demise of the N/A V6's & V8's. Folks claiming that if only they'd put the good ol' V8 back in the trucks that they would be insta-buys are missing the forest for the trees. All the other crap would remain and is more annoying than the new motor having 2 less cylinders and a turbo.

 

[joseywales]

I towed my boat with new landcruiser, hit one button - no nannies at all no issues backing up, maybe mine is broken?

Maybe it’s the Westcott lift? I went with another brand and maybe my 1958 is rebelling?

As mentioned, a big part of my issue is moving trailers with no wiring, which is an almost daily thing for me. Do you unplug your trailer when you launch? (I always do). Next time you splash the boat, unplug your trailer for the back down the ramp. Let us know what it does.

 

[kenjera]

I towed my boat with new landcruiser, hit one button - no nannies at all no issues backing up, maybe mine is broken?

going by this thread l'd suggest broken or not you....LEAVE IT ALONE.

 

[SanJuanJ]

This is really weird. Maybe the LC is very different from the Lexus GX550, but I have a hitch mounted bike rack and I've towed our camper and horse trailer (including backing up), and with the physical button pushed to off (see post #2), I haven;t had a single issue. And I didn't even have to push the button with a trailer because it detected the 7-pin and enabled the trailer brake controller. I've got all of the nanny crap disabled and it's seriously OFF. The only audible warning I EVER get is the reverse cross traffic warning, which I left on because I really like it.

 

[joseywales]

I’ll say it again. I often have to move trailers with no wiring. I have not tried bikes, but I have successfully backed up with an rv fridge on a hitch rack, but that’s quite narrow. Unlike those stupid racks that hang bikes sideways and block all the turn signals and brake lights which could show up in all or most of the sensors.

With a trailer that is complete with a functional 7 pin, it detects it, gives me the dash message that “you might die now, as we have had to turn some crap off in order for your vehicle to perform as it should” (I’m paraphrasing), and then sometimes still has a fit and locks up the brakes if I dare to back up while (oh god!) TURNING!

Based on most of the replies here, I’m beginning to think there is a software glitch in my LC. Unfortunately I live a long way from a dealer and this doesn’t sound like an easy to diagnose fix.

Companies should be required to have some sort of manual override built in for emergencies. My 2025 Yamaha Tenere has fully digital TFT dash, but has a single analog push button that disables ABS and traction control. It’s so simple. Damn you Toyota!


And for your patience and as a reward for making it this far, here is a pretty picture of the Yamaha with analog override. Please enjoy:

 

[SanJuanJ]

Sounds like your particular LC has issues. Sorry.