front door issues

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Our recently purchased home was built in 1992. The front door must have settled a bit, because we had to lift up on the door handle to get it to latch. I took the bottom hinge off the jamb and put 4 index cards behind it, but that didn't really help. Then I tried a decent size washer, which allowed the door to latch, but it rubbed on the latch side pretty badly. Now there's a smaller washer behind the hinge, but it still requires lifting on the handle to latch, but doesn't rub.

So are these my only options and if so what do you recommend and why??? #2 seems to be the easiest fix, but it's fairly difficult to move the striker plates down 1/2 of a screw hole.

1) Sanding down the latch side of the door jam so it doesn't bind.
2) Moving the striker plates for the latch and deadbolt down slightly.
3) Reshimming the entire frame.
 
is your house a slab on grade?...if so you could be experiencing some movement in the slab in which case I would recommend rehanging the door...also check for termites...make sure you use extra long screws for the hinges if you decide to rehang...
 
I don't want to step all over Gomez, but I disagree with him. Unless the door is way out of whack, rehanging probably isn't necessary. And using long screws in a hinge is a big no-no.

Shimming door hinges requires a little thought about geometry. You can use a shim on a hinge to move the door either direction- further towards the striker or away. It depends on where on the hinge you place the shim.

Shims should be as tall as the hinge, but only ~1/4" wide, and usually are compressed cardboard 1/16" or less thick. They are placed outside the screws, on the pin side or opposite the pin on the door stop side of the hinge. No part of the shim should be inside the screw pattern. This allows for leverage, and gives the most overall adjustment from the thinnest possible shim. Putting a shim next to the pin moves the door away from the hinge side of the jamb, a shim on the door stop side of the hinge brings the door closer to the hinge side of the jamb. Shims can be used on either the jamb or the door half of the hinge, or both in extreme cases. I prefer to start with the jamb. In most cases, to align the striker you will shim 2 hinges on a 3 hinge door to prevent binding. The middle hinge should be shimmed 1/2 as much as the first hinge. In some cases you shim the top and bottom hinges and not the middle- top hinge by the pin, bottom hinge by the doorstop or vise-versa.

Determine where you need to move the door by looking at the closed door in relation to the jamb. You want the space around the door to be equal. If the door is touching the jamb anywhere, it should be shimmed. Sometimes the door wasn't hung correctly by the installer, so you also have to look at the strike and make sure your adjustments aren't going to throw it out of alignment. If you have a lot of space by the top hinge, less at the middle, and equal space at the bottom hinge on the hinge side and the strike side, you would probably put two shims on the doorstop side of the top hinge, one shim on the doorstop side of the middle hinge, and no shims on the bottom hinge. If the top hinge has a large space, the middle hinge is equal on the hinge side and strike side, and the bottom hinge has little or no space, you would put one shim on the doorstop side of the top hinge, no shim on the middle hinge, and one shim on the pin side of the lower hinge.

To install shims, open the door 90 degrees. If it's a 3 hinge door, you can pull the screws out of one hinge, install the shims, and replace the screws. Two hinge doors require you to support the weight of the door while one hinge is being worked on, but fortunately they are usually lightweight interior doors. Don't close the door until you shim all of your hinges or you can damage the hinges or jamb. I usually moisten the cardboard shims enough to get them to stick until I screw the plate in place. Often I will just loosen the screws and slip the cardboard shim behind the hinge plate, then retighten. Sometimes I see masking tape used as shimming material, multiple layers to get thickness. That's nice because it doesn't fall out, and it's easy to get different thicknesses.

Long screws can pull the jamb out of alignment. The jamb is shimmed in the rough opening, so there is space between the framing and the jamb. If you drive a screw into the framing and run it tight, you will pull the jamb towards the framing and pull the jamb out of true.

Most people want to use long screws because the holes in the jamb are stripped out. There is a very easy fix for that problem. Cut 1/4" dowel into ~3/4" long pieces. Drill the hinge holes out with a 15/64" bit. Squirt wood glue into the holes, tap dowel piece into hole until flush. Wait 5 minutes, drill pilot hole for screw. Better than new. This method also works for relocating holes, such as for a striker plate that you want to move 1/2 the distance of the hole. That usually requires re-mortising the plate though, so it's always better if you can align the door in the jamb.
 
You can also get oversized striker plates. Had to do this recently for a badly hung interior door.
 
Good info above. i would start by checking your jamb and see if you're plumb on the sides and level on the head. Then I would look at the hinges and see what quality they are. Cheap thin guage hinges can fail on you. The gap between the door and jamb will tell you alot along with the jamb being plumb or not. Instead of planing down the strike side of a door (last resort for me), I work on the hinge side. For instance if the hinge side of the jamb is not plumb I will make the adjustment in the door by triming the hinge side say 1/8" to nothing along the length of the door, depending on your reveals and which way the jamb is out of plumb. Then reset the depth of cut for your hinges. A pic of your door would help.
 
Much easier solution (unless I'm misreading the problem):

4) remove the striker, open the hole up with a file, then take a sharp chisel and open the hole in the jamb behind it. Re-install the striker.


And using long screws in a hinge is a big no-no.

Please explain. I installed 4 really nice Therma-Tru doors a year ago with a professional trim carpenter. We put 3" screws in the top and bottom hinges, thru the jamb, shims, and framing, as a security measure. I'm pretty sure the Therma-Tru instructions said to do this.
 
post up a picture of the gaps, as a carpenter i used to stress out about the plumb stick being dead on level bubbles every time. But through my experiences, over ten years and 1,000 doors under my belt later I just accepted it's not a perfect world and you set mostly to the opening provided with a level as guidance. Every door should at least have one jamb screw 2 1/2 inches long in the top hinge and in the screw hole closest to the middle of the jamb. (mostly for people that were not trained properly on how to be polite to a door). The termite suggestion above should also be looked into but if you had them you would most likely know and any decent home inspector should have caught that when you bought the place! If you have a paint grade jamb there's always the red-neck version of repair take a 16 penny framing nail and drive it in the center of the jamb next to the top hinge till flush with wood then grab a shim place it over the nail and beat the jamb over, repeat at the center hinge until the jamb is flat and not bowed and the door shuts and latches. put a long screw in the top hinge to hold then fill your holes and repaint. Also it helps if you pull the door off to unsprung the weight of it.

Also i noticed you live in Idaho does the door work in the summer and not in the winter, I battled a door at my uncles house for three seasons when i lived in South Dakota I ended up mortising a commercial door stike in the latch side of the jamb. commercial latches are a little taller, It allowed for the door to move a bit and not be adjusted every season but his place was built in the late 1800s and had a lime stone stack and mortar foundation and he didn't want the door pulled and rehung

Third and final suggestion without seeing a picture or being there, after you tune in the jamb as good as you can, roach the hinges. If the latch is sagging you need to lessen the space in the top hinge between the plates when the door is closed you do this by taking the hinge off with the pin still in and fold it back on itself so it has the shape of a V and tap with a hammer evenly across the face not to hard though a little goes a long way. You can do the opposite to the bottom hinge by taking it off placing a 16 penny nail between faces as if the door was closed ( so it lays flat ) and lightly tap on the back side this increases the space between the faces of the hinge when the door is shut. Take into consideration if there is room on the bottom latch side of the door between the jamb and the door edge because increasing the space between the hinges will send the door edge closer to the jamb on the latch side. Good luck hope my suggestions can help you.

In the end you might just have to pull the door and reset if it was installed poorly. Pics would help so we know how bad it is, better guidance i'm sure would follow
 
Please explain. I installed 4 really nice Therma-Tru doors a year ago with a professional trim carpenter. We put 3" screws in the top and bottom hinges, thru the jamb, shims, and framing, as a security measure. I'm pretty sure the Therma-Tru instructions said to do this.

I probably explained too much, and it got lost-

Long screws can pull the jamb out of alignment. The jamb is shimmed in the rough opening, so there is space between the framing and the jamb. If you drive a screw into the framing and run it tight, you will pull the jamb towards the framing and pull the jamb out of true.

Obviously, if you're careful and understand what's going on behind the wood, you can avoid this. It's not something I would tell a novice to do, and it's not necessary.
 
When you lift the door to latch it where is the movement? If it's all in the hinge pins then maybe you need new hinges.
 
Obviously, if you're careful and understand what's going on behind the wood, you can avoid this. It's not something I would tell a novice to do, and it's not necessary.

OK, thanks. Yeah, I can see that if you run a long screw in blind with the trim/casing installed, and there is no shim behind that hinge to keep the jam plumb, you could really pull things out of whack.

I also installed a commercial grade fire-rated exterior door unit last Fall at our church, man I completely obsessed with getting it plumb and square, but it was worth it. That sucker was heavy, I put extra backer screws under the hinges. The old door I took out was only held in by the trim, not a single nail/screw thru the jamb into the framing.
 
It's very important to hang the jamb plumb from the start. Every door jamb should be 'obsessed' over, I and my customers would have less frustration later.
 
Thanks for all the info, guys! I tried to get some pictures of the gaps, but the pictures didn't tell much of a story and the gaps appear to all be pretty much equal. Since we moved here recently, I have to find my level to check the jamb for plumb, but I'll look for that today. The hinges don't appear to be thin and weak, but I suppose it's a possibility. The pins squeak like nobody's business, so I'm gonna knock them out, clean, and lube today. I really like the idea of filing out the striker plates. I may give that a go!!! I'll post up what happens. :cheers:
 
Should you have to knock the pins almost all the way out of the hinges? To me that says they are bound up somehow and the hinges may need to be replaced. Input?
 
Sounds like they are bound, does the latch work with one of the pins removed? Try all 3. Maybe the jamb moved. If you get it working with 2 pins, shim the 3rd hinge to align the pin.
 
Some hinges are garbage(chinese) and can cause a lot of problems. While the door is open, hold the door by the lockset and lift up and see if there is any movement. I have had new prehung doors sent to me that had a lot of play in them, and that caused problems with hanging. Better quality hinges solved that.
 
Kids are hard on doors/hinges and striker plates as well. I've had to do the Spike's glue and dowell trick to the lockset screws on ours.
 
I finally got around to fixing the problems this past weekend. First, I removed the 1/8" thick washer from behind the bottom hinge. Then, I shimmed both the middle and bottom hinges with pepsi box material cut to length and 3/8" wide as recommended. I started with 2 behind the middle and 4 behind the bottom hinge. I went to 3 and 6 respectively and it was pretty close, so I took a better look at the striker plates. it was so close, I just grabbed my Dremel and ground out the striker plates on the bottom of the holes for 1/16" or so. Then I used a small chisel to clean up the wood frame behind the striker plate and voila!, it closes perfectly and we no longer have to pull on the door handle from the outside to lock the deadbolt. Everyone's happy. Thanks for all your recommendations!!!
 
Easy Peasy, right?:D

Now the hard part, hammering home all the hard work that Dad did to the kids so it will last.:lol:
 

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