Ok, here's the deal. I once had a 66 cj5 and when I went on the trails I could wash it and hit the bumpers with a coat of matte black paint. With the LC my bumper looks like crap with all of the marks from brush. I really don't want the whole brush guard look but if there was a bumper made of steel that looked like a stock bumper I'd like it. I guess the purist in me would suffer if I put on one of those really big steel bumpers with the brush guard attached because I'd feel like a poser. My LC is 90% wait, my wife won't accept one of those zombie crushing bumpers. I said it, so don't make me feel bad. I need a bumper that lets me push down trees but doesn't look like something made in my garage.