FJ60 3.4L swap

[jason]

I have been looking into locating a 60 and swapping a 3.4L from a T100, hopefully with a S/C on it. I am new to the world of Toyota and L/C's. I would like to know if this has been done before and if anyone can provide me with a reference.

Thanks,
Jason

 

[patride71]

any particular reason why you want to do this? is the original 2F shot or is there something special about putting a 3.4L in it?

 

[Cruisergreg]

any particular reason why you want to do this? is the original 2F shot or is there something special about putting a 3.4L in it?

What he said. Why?

If you like the 60 there are many other well supported engine swap options. Keep in mind that you can't easily swap powerplants from vehicle to vehicle as was once done. Few things bolt up and most newer powerplants have engine & tranny mated electronically. 60s weigh 2 tons naked and with do dads and addons weigh more like 3 tons. Is a 3.4 what you really are looking for?

 

[jjbodean1970]

do a sbc conversion, much easier and cheaper, i think!

 

[trailcarnage]

I believe Luke at 4X4LABS has done this. You may want to ask on his forum.

As for the 3.4L, I ran one in my buggy. I was very please with the results. The rig wieghed 3200lbs with 4.10 gear 80 axle. The tranny and t-case were stock Taco automatic. She had no problem smoking all four tires on the rocks.

 

[Mike S]

There are plenty of vehicles that make better hot rods than an FJ60.

The virtue of the FJ60 is its day-in and day-out expedition quality durability, and low to medium speed performance. If you need to go faster, check out an 80 or sumpin'.

M

 

[Sorry Dog]

My imagination was getting carried away the other day and I was contemplating the same swap.

The reasons are because the 3.4 is reliable and hopefully would improve gas milage and with SC produces good power.

Same is true of a V8 but hopefully the 6 would do better on freeway milage.

I'm getting sick of 13mpg with $2 gas, so I was just hypothesizing what could do better short of a Cummins.

My 62 was recently demoted from commuter status, unless I have to carry stuff or the dogs.

 

[smcruisin]

Although the 3.4 gets good milage in the T100, when you put it into the 60 (Which I assume is 500-1000 lbs. heavier, it will drop milage significantly. You're asking a smaller engine to work harder to put out the same levels of hp & torque. This will eat more gas. Granted, EFI will be better than a carb. However, I don't think you can say "good milage" and "gasoline" in the same sentence.

Get a diesel (either a Toyota if you want to stay 'factory', or cummins (4/6 cylinder) if you want access to cheaper transmissions, and local parts). I think Andre (I'm not even going to try to spell his last name) -- aka dieselcruiserhead??? got a cummins from a frido/lays delivery van for relatively cheap (~$2000). He's got a good diesel website, but I can' remember where it is right now. his email: andre@collegeinternetsolutions.com

Diesel equals bang for your buck, usable torque (ie. not at 4500 rpm), dead simple opperation and wiring, easily tunable/upgradeable with turbo's, and that sweet, sweet smell.

 

[hj60]

Oh, let the man dream.
I've seen the 7M-GTE (old Supra twin turbo) in a 2nd Gen 4Runner.
3F-E in a 40.
2UZ-FE in a 40 and 60.

Let's face it, if you DD a Cruiser, you're going to go broke (unless you're LandPimp),
I know this. I'm living it. But I'll still DD mine w/the 2F until I have the resources to swap in a
12H-T/H55-F/HF2A.
Then I'll DD it that way until the Fed makes it financially prohibitive to keep it registered.
Then I'll likely stop driving altogether.

 

[jason]

Sorry Dog has me pinned. I just don't know enough about Toyota. I did a small amount of research on the gas milage for different Toy engines. The 3.4L seemed to have better output and milage. I was certian this would be a custom swap, but I don't have the experience to figureo the milage. If I land back in the 12-14 mpg's, why go through the effort. I like the sound of desiel, however, there are other fees that you need to calculate. Desiels run more in maintance. The oil changes are more expensive and you need to be very consistant with the changes from what I have been told. In addition, the gas nazi's have caught on to the deisiel carze and jacked up the price comprable to gasoline.
There were a few mentions of "other engine swaps" I would like to konw more about those. My biggest concerns are milage and torque. If I wanted to go fast, I would have bought a car.
Jason

 

[DBS311]

The Supra twin turbo motor was of the 2JZ family, not the 7M-GTE. The 7M-GTE was never offered as a twin turbo. Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, just clearing that up for those that proudly own a Mk IV Supra.

 

[hj60]

Sorry. Force of habit to say "twin turbo" when saying Supra.

 

[DBS311]

Makes me wonder now that we are talking about the Supra twin turbo motor. That thing makes mountains of torque. If I didn't take my Cruiser off highway much, 550hp and 500 ft/lb on pump gas (single turbo) would certainly make it easier to merge on the interstate, but how to stop it??? I know it is almost heresy to mention, but has anyone ever thought of making a street FJ60/62? I'm just trying to fight off my sports car roots, but sometimes they get the best of me. Back to the topic at hand......

 

[Jman]

I say, leave with the woman you came to the party with.

If you drive 15,000 miles a year, pay $2.00 a gallon for gas, and your gas mileage improves from 13mpg to 20mpg, you save about $800 a year. How much does the engine swap cost? How many years will it take to pay for itself?

Now, if you're doing it for a reason other than saving $$$, sure. Just don't kid yourself.

 

[kling-on]

do a 6.2 chevy with a turbo and get 25 -30 even in a 60.... parts are WAY cheaper too someday mine will have one

 

[hj60]

Put a TDI in it.
Something with multiple injector sizes available and an injection pump that
can be turned up to much higher pressures. Sleeved cylinders, too. Then
you can double, triple or even quadruple the factory rated output.
To my mind, this is the Cat 3208.
It wraps up as fast as a 350. Throw twin turbos on it and go.
Oh, and it fits a 3/4 ton pickup. ;p

 

[Sorry Dog]

Like I said, I was just day dreaming.

Speaking of the Supra motor, those are plentiful to get from JDM car wreckers, so the parts wouldn't be more than a 350, put out the same power, and it would lose about 400 lbs in the swap, but I guess bellhousing or tranny to trans compatitbility would be a whole nother issue. You could still say it's just a little inline six

 

[Sorry Dog]

BTW - I do think the GM diesel issue is viable.

I talked to an internet friend who works a diesel performance shop about a swap.

Of course he was pro cummins (he drives a 9-10 sec cummins drag truck), but here's the comments I got:

What kind of weight do you think the front of that thing can hold up? A Cummins B 5.9 is about 1100# or so, fully dressed. That hp would be a walk in the park. You could even get a used 100k motor 12v for fairly cheap and drop her in. The NV4500 is the same trans put in the Dodge trucks back then as well (94-98 with 96-98 manual trucks getting the best motor - 215hp stock - and the best fuel pump to boot).

You can get motors from wrecked trucks for pretty cheap. $1500 to $4k for a fresh one.

The 6.5 wasn't a bad engine, it just didn't have the get up and go of the new common rail setups. I put 200,000 miles on my 6.5 after buying it from a buddy who bought it new. I sold it with close to 250,000 miles on it. It wasn't the fastest thing up the hill, but got 16+ around town and 18 or so on the highway, with a 1-ton crew cab 4x4 long bed. If I was going to look for one to swap, I'd find one out of a '92 or '93 as then didn't have all the electronics the later models had.

It would take a 100,000 miles and few years to recoup the cost but I drive 30k miles a year. So I think the gains of improved acceleration, highway cruising, towing, and 600 miles to fillups (extended tank) are worth it if you plan out owning for a while. One of things I'm afraid of is $3 gas/diesel. I'd pretty much park the cruiser (except for offroad trips) and drive the MR2. The cruiser becomes a hobby rather than transportation at that point. If fuel is almost $2 a gal now in winter, I hate to see what summer driving season will bring...

 

[swank60]

Sorry Dog - your sig is cracking me up: Redneckistan, AL --now THAT'S FUNNAY!