Extended brake lines.

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What are you guys with 6" or more lift running? I just need to extend the frame to axle line, correct? I dont see any reason to replace any of the other lines. I need a set but I hesitate to order any because the ones I have found are all advertised to work with 4" lifts. I figure when all is said and done I will be at LEAST 6" above stock, and I want to make sure I dont have to buy twice. Thanks folks.

James
(Brunt Force)
 
Make your own with aeroquip brake fittings? It's not DOT, but done correctly they are the best brake lines money can buy.
 
Make your own with aeroquip brake fittings? It's not DOT, but done correctly they are the best brake lines money can buy.

Will this also work for repairing a crushed hardline on my frame? And can I get the supplies at a NAPA parts store? (Sorry, James! Not trying to hi-jack your thread! Just sounds like what I've been looking for to repair a hard line.:cheers:)
 
I've never had to replace hard lines, but the aeroquip lines I've made would only work to replace flexible lines.
Napa/parts stores don't carry aeroquip fittings (that i've seen) but you can get them from summit racing/jegs, ect online.
 
I've never had to replace hard lines, but the aeroquip lines I've made would only work to replace flexible lines.
Napa/parts stores don't carry aeroquip fittings (that i've seen) but you can get them from summit racing/jegs, ect online.
Thanks, Frankencruiser. I was afraid of that. Sounds like it would be more practical to replace the section of hard line as opposed to repair by cutting out crushed section and replacing it with a flexible line. Sorry to all for hi-jack.
 
What are you guys with 6" or more lift running? I just need to extend the frame to axle line, correct? I dont see any reason to replace any of the other lines. I need a set but I hesitate to order any because the ones I have found are all advertised to work with 4" lifts. I figure when all is said and done I will be at LEAST 6" above stock, and I want to make sure I dont have to buy twice. Thanks folks.

James
(Brunt Force)

Are you running special shocks? (Too lazy to read your build thread :flipoff2:) If you're using the same shocks that go with the 4" lift, then there's absolutely no reason to go longer. Also, I know the front hard line spirals can be extended, I don't remember what the rear looks like, but that might cover you for some extension.
 
An 85' toyota truck, later model Tacoma's as well, 4x4 rear brake hose is 5" longer that the stock 80 rear hose and will fit the front and rear of the 80 ;)
I believe the 85' hoses are longer than the Tacoma's FYI..........
 
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An 85' toyota truck, later model Tacoma's as well, 4x4 rear brake hose is 5" longer that the stock 80 rear hose and will fit the front and rear of the 80 ;)
I believe the 85' hoses are longer than the Tacoma's FYI..........

Good tip! So for the 85, I assume you mean the 4x4 pick-ups? Not the 4runner or fj60? Also, when you say late model Tacoma, can you be more
Specific? I'd like to go into the dealership with solid info, since they usually don't know much.

Thanks!
 
Crown Performance: Stainless Steel Brake Lines - Braided Hoses for Cars, Trucks & SUV, located in Carlsbad is where I got mine. They measure everything then make your lines. You can even pick what color you want your lines to be. I paid around 150 for my set that was 4" over stock.

Something to keep in mind with stainless steel lines is that they become a maintenance item. You cannot visual inspect the line for leaks/damage/swelling/etc, so a lot of folks recommend you replace them periodically.

There's a very good reason why stainless isn't used on production vehicles from the dealer (aside from cost).
 
Something to keep in mind with stainless steel lines is that they become a maintenance item. You cannot visual inspect the line for leaks/damage/swelling/etc, so a lot of folks recommend you replace them periodically.

There's a very good reason why stainless isn't used on production vehicles from the dealer (aside from cost).

Yes. This is why I am interested in going the OEM route, or have some made up. Id prefer the rubber lines to the SS ones.
 
Something to keep in mind with stainless steel lines is that they become a maintenance item. You cannot visual inspect the line for leaks/damage/swelling/etc, so a lot of folks recommend you replace them periodically.

There's a very good reason why stainless isn't used on production vehicles from the dealer (aside from cost).

When you say periodically, do you mean a few years, months, decades? I ask because they are about a year old with only 10k on them.

FWIW I did notice, as well as others, a big difference in stopping power and brake peddle firmness.

Won't rubber hoses dry out, crack and need to be replaced as well? Or is the point that you can see when they deteriorate and you can replace.
 
Something to keep in mind with stainless steel lines is that they become a maintenance item. You cannot visual inspect the line for leaks/damage/swelling/etc, so a lot of folks recommend you replace them periodically.

Slee and many of the other stainless braided brake lines out there are teflon lined hoses are designed not to swell hence the performance aspect of them, so unless you physically damage a line they should last longer than OEM hoses. A visual inspection should show leaks and damage though.[/QUOTE]
 
When you say periodically, do you mean a few years, months, decades? I ask because they are about a year old with only 10k on them.

Few years. I've heard 5 to 7 thrown out, but I'd imagine that mileage is more of a factor than age.

FWIW I did notice, as well as others, a big difference in stopping power and brake peddle firmness.

Of course.

But not only are you replacing old lines (10+ years, likely) with new, you're also likely doing a very good flush so you have no air and new fluid.

I noticed a big difference in stopping power and brake peddle firmness just with a flush of the fluid, so it doesn't surprise me in the least that you would see an improvement with new lines (any new lines) on top of that.

Won't rubber hoses dry out, crack and need to be replaced as well? Or is the point that you can see when they deteriorate and you can replace.

Keep in mind that stainless lines are rubber lines, just with a stainless braid over them (and usually teflon between the line and braid).

So stainless lines face all the problems of rubber lines, just they have the braid which theoretically performs two functions. One, it protects from debris damage, and two as the rubber ages and has a tendency to swell, prevents that from happening.

The problem with stainless is that if the braid is flexed repeatedly, it can (and does) break. Hopefully it breaks on the outside, where strands do no damage (at least to the line, to your hand when you grab them is another story). Just as likely it breaks on the inside, where the lines will puncture the rubber and cause pinhole leaks that will be difficult/impossible to track down (the fluid flows along the braiding and can spread itself out over a quite large area, meaning you may not see it dripping/leaking at all).

So, yeah, the point is that you cannot visually inspect the line. Just because the stainless steel braid is broken on the outside doesn't mean it's broken on the inside, and just because it's perfect on the outside doesn't mean it hasn't broken (and punctured the line) on the inside.

I've had dishwasher, sink, and toilet braided lines that chewed up my hand due to broken stainless braids (nothing worse than grabbing a line and getting stabbed a dozen times by extremely sharp ends), and they have a fraction of the flex/movement that brake lines on a vehicle do (hot/cold expansion and contraction, and movement as the line is pressurized).

Slee and many of the other stainless braided brake lines out there are teflon lined hoses are designed not to swell hence the performance aspect of them, so unless you physically damage a line they should last longer than OEM hoses. A visual inspection should show leaks and damage though.

The swelling of lines is something of a red herring. The rubber lines, if in reasonable shape, are more than adequate to withstand the pressure and not swell a significant amount (they will swell slightly, but so slight it won't even be noticeable). Very old rubber lines can and do swell, but tons of 80's are running around with original lines and no problems.

If you're running with an extremely high pressure braking system (think race cars), then the stainless lines might make a difference. But we're not, 80's have a pretty standard braking pressure.

I replaced the rear line from the frame to the axle (with a longer OEM one), and found that the original line (16 years and 160k miles old) was in virtually perfect shape. I found no evidence of cracking, swelling, bubbling, or any other damage.

And that there is the problem with a stainless steel braided line. I could look at my 16 year old line and tell with a quick inspection that it was in nearly perfect shape. It's impossible to do the same with any stainless steel braided line...you can't see the hose so it's impossible to do any sort of meaningful inspection on it.
 
Honestly, its probably not a huge deal to go with SS lines. The only reason I prefer the rubber lines is for the reason Ebag mentioned. I had SS lines on my old bronco and I managed to catch one on something and it bent enough to rip the rubber inside, but looked perfectly fine from the outside. Now granted, this is an unlikely event and has only happened once in my 18 years of driving. But I just prefer the rubber lines. Easier to keep an eye on. However, If I cant find the rubber lines for a reasonable price, Ill probably just go stainless. Its not THAT big a deal to me.
 
This thread would be an awesome resource if someone would post up the OEM brake line End sizes/specs. Some specs that you could give to a place that custom builds lines, without having to pull your old lines off and send them clear across the country...

Reason I say this, is that I really need some lines that are 7-8" longer than the typical +4" lines that you can buy from the vendors. But... I don't feel like shipping my current (in use) lines to some place.



If someone WERE to take measurements and provide specs on the ends, I would take that info and work up a couple engineering drawings that could be sent/handed to anyone that you would like to make your new lines.
Or, if someone has their old factory brake lines laying in their garage, I would pay for shipping so that I could gather such info.
 
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I'm planning on building a set of custom lines for my 80 this summer. I'll make a build thread when I do, but it will be a few months.
 
This thread would be an awesome resource if someone would post up the OEM brake line End sizes/specs. Some specs that you could give to a place that custom builds lines, without having to pull your old lines off and send them clear across the country...

Reason I say this, is that I really need some lines that are 7-8" longer than the typical +4" lines that you can buy from the vendors. But... I don't feel like shipping my current (in use) lines to some place.



If someone WERE to take measurements and provide specs on the ends, I would take that info and work up a couple engineering drawings that could be sent/handed to anyone that you would like to make your new lines.
Or, if someone has their old factory brake lines laying in their garage, I would pay for shipping so that I could gather such info.



Anyone?
 
Ahhh, thank you O'reilly website:




Front Left Inner (Frame to axle) Brake Hose:

Detailed Description


  • Hose Material: EPDM Rubber
  • Gaskets Included: No
  • Brake Hose Assembly Use Location: Multi Location Use
  • Brake Line/Assembly Material: No Bracket Required
  • End 1 Fitting Type/Size: Male - M10 x 1.0
  • End 2 Fitting Type/Size: Female - M10 x 1.0
  • Package Contents: Brake Hose
  • Installation Hardware Included: No
  • Brake Hose Assembly Length: 16"



Front Right Inner (Frame to axle) Brake hose:

Detailed Description


  • Hose Material: EPDM Rubber
  • Gaskets Included: No
  • Brake Hose Assembly Use Location: Passenger Front
  • Brake Line/Assembly Material: No Bracket Required
  • End 1 Fitting Type/Size: Female - M10 x 1.0
  • End 2 Fitting Type/Size: Female - M10 x 1.0
  • Package Contents: Brake Hose
  • Installation Hardware Included: No
  • Brake Hose Assembly Length: 11.125"




Anyone confirm these specs?
Front Left.jpg
Front Right.jpg
 
Sorry if I hi-jacked your thread! It seems like we are both in the same boat, in that the typical 4" extended lines just aren't enough.

With the info I posted above, I was able to call a semi-local speed shop that builds stainless brake lines (all aeroquip stuff), and they can make me a set of 7" extended lines with parts in stock for a little less than I can buy the 4" lines online.

I'll be picking them up Saturday. :beer:
 

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