Diesel vs gasoline?

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Hello, I am a European, and I would like to know the opinion of the forum members with respect to the question diesel vs gasoline, especially if I may ask to disregard US specific issues (eg, Americans do not like diesels much, AFAIK).

I am a European, and here an overwhelming majority of HDJ 80 and 100 are diesels. However, Americans tend to prefer gasoline cars.

I am thinking in buying a 100 Series V8, and since I do not know much about this engine, I was wondering about the opinion you have about the difference between the gasoline and the HDJ one.

I know the V8 has a higher consumption, which I budget in the price. I was wondering with respect to :

1. .Pperformance (V8 has more HP, but I have heard the diesel has more torque on medium range, mostly due to the turbo) and about

2. .Rreliability (big gasoline engines tend to be reliable, but HDJ are reliable too). Also I was wondering about

3. "Electronic dependence": one of the bad issues of the 100 series is that it is more electronic dependent than the 80 series, which is bad for long African trips, for example. Maybe the V8 is more / less electronic dependent than the HDJ?

Thanks!
 
It depends on which diesel you are talking about. The diesel I have seen in the 100 series is the 1HZ which is not vet powerful, not much torque, and not spectacular in the fuel economy department. But they are extremely dependable (many cases of 500,000+ kms without a rebuild) and can be equipped with turbo to help with the power and torque.

The v8 petrol is a good mix of power and reliability but does not get very good mileage.

It also depends on how you are going to use the 100. If it is mainly highway cruising or towing then the V8. If mainly logging roads then the diesel, ImHO.
 
It is not that we don't like diesels, it is that our nanny-state government makes it incredibly tough to bring in new diesels and there isn't enough interest in the diesel models to get the manufacturers to spend the money to bring them in. It is what it is:meh:

Now the diesel versus gas debate? I would love to have a diesel 100, but having owned the 2UZ powered model, it is a great motor and a reliable truck. Would the 100 rule with the 5.7l? Sure, but the 4.7 as it sits is great for the truck, and with a few mods like headers and exhaust, it is even better.

As far as electronics, depends on the motor. If you have the 1HD-FTE, which I think is the model that Europe gets, you will have the same electronics concerns you would have with the 2UZ unless you can get a 100 from Africa with the 1HD-T.
 
In Europe we also have nanny-states, so it is a global problem.

Let me rephrase my question, in relation to your comment "I would love to have a diesel 100, but having owned the 2UZ powered model, it is a great motor and a reliable truck":

If you abstract from being in the States (where diesel is not readily available everywhere), which engine do you believe is best, the 2UZ or the 1HD-FTE, taking into account more or less everything (performance, consumption, reliability, "electronic dependence and reliability" ...)?

Thanks.
 
farstar said:
In Europe we also have nanny-states, so it is a global problem.

Let me rephrase my question, in relation to your comment "I would love to have a diesel 100, but having owned the 2UZ powered model, it is a great motor and a reliable truck":

If you abstract from being in the States (where diesel is not readily available everywhere), which engine do you believe is best, the 2UZ or the 1HD-FTE, taking into account more or less everything (performance, consumption, reliability, "electronic dependence and reliability" ...)?

Thanks.
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I would prefer the diesel. But then again i would prefer every vehicle i own to be diesel.
 
farstar said:
3. "Electronic dependence": one of the bad issues of the 100 series is that it is more electronic dependent than the 80 series, which is bad for long African trips, for example. Maybe the V8 is more / less electronic dependent than the HDJ?

Thanks!
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Ok ... I don't know why the whole "African Trip" thingie has to be raised when considering good and bad electrics ... If you get bum electrics, doesn't matter where you drive your car -it will bog you down. Anyhow, the 100 is very reliable -I don't think the HDJ is any more electronically reliable or not over the V8.

I drive the HDJ and would almost never pick the petrol version -but again, I have a choice and having owned a V8 range rover, I know to avoid petrol guzzlers .... :grinpimp:

Plus ... and this is huge for me and my road trips .... My diesel tank gets me further ... almost X2 what the petrol tank would give me .... always a plus when traversing the vast "African" wilderness (even when mostly between malls :D )

Happy Holidays ... :steer:
 
I hear ya, personally I prefer a diesel and if I had the choice, i would get the diesel. But I'm biased with diesel cruisers being the forbidden fruit here in the US:grinpimp:

Now as far at which will last longer, both are rock solid motors. There are 2UZs that have 300+ thousand miles with no issues aside from some exhaust manifold issues on the early models. Differences in transmissions also, the 5-speed auto is a great gearbox. The 1HDT is also great and lasts just as long as the gas motor and there is the option for the manual gear box. Whether it is the ECU on the gas motor or the injector pump and computer on the diesel, this is a fact of life with a newer truck. Either model will have the failure points that will bite you over the long haul. Gone are the days of the one-wire diesel:frown:

I would say what would drive my choice will be the difference in fuel prices and the long term support of repairing the motor.:meh:

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If you want max acceleration, and don't mind the economy, get the gasser. Otherwise the HDJ.
Only one concern re getting the hdj: The converter if early years - pre 2002 (june 2001 production).
 
FIW when I was trying to sell my 100 2UZ I had a guy that was originally from South Africa come to look at mine and said he was used to the diesel and manual transmission. He said they are a very common vehicle over there. I'm an old farm boy so I would love the diesel w/ manual tranny if it was even a choice. For now I am just excited to get my TB/water pump service done at 155k and looking forward to another easy 100k.
 
It seems most people would suggest the diesel under normal circumstances. One additional benefit of diesel in Europe is "long term support", as discussed above: mechanics know the HDJ engine, but not necessarily the V8.

Thanks for all the comments, and please, if you have any other ideas / suggestions, feel free to add to this quite interesting discussion.
 
BTW, I guess this has been discussed in the forum lots of times (I have done a search but I have not been able to find conclusive answers, though):

How do forum members rate the 100 series changes from 2003 onwards?

At least in Europe, pre-2003, 100 series had a rear locker and a 4-speed automatic. After-2003, 100 series had no rear locker (a traction control, instead), a 5-speed automatic, a different and nicer (IMHO) interior and electronic regulation of the turbo (and a different front of the car).

During 2003, some 100s had the nice interior but instead with the rear locker.

In Europe, some people argue post-2003 cars are more SUV but less reliable (the 5-speed is less robust, more electronics ...). What do you guys think?
 
The HDJ (diesel) didn't get the ATRAC, it kept the RDL.
The 5-sp seems to be as sturdy and reliable, maybe even more durable.
Might be more advanced electronics after 2003, but for sure also improved electronics.
 
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