diesel thoughts??

[lt1fire]

Thinking of an OM617 for the Cruiser. That is the 3.0 5 cylinder diesel out of the 79-85 mercedes sedans.
They seem slightly underpowered for a heavy cruiser, but then I realized that the NA versions are the ones put in the mercedes G-Wagons of that era and they are about on par with a cruiser in weight. And they still return low to mid 20's in fuel mileage.

4x4 labs now makes an adapter for the 440F which isn't too much in weight.

It's come down between that and a 6.2 GM/Detroit out of an 80's truck. While the GM provides more power it doesn't rev as high as the OM617 (5800RPM) which means i might have to put 4.10's back in the truck which I don't want to since I just went through the trouble of putting the 4.88's in. It would also be slightly lower in the fuel mileage... or more so depending on the gearing.

Both engines are plentiful with the reliability going to the OM and the cheapness of parts going to the GM.

There is also the option with both to do a NV4500 swap to get a granny first and improve my gearing but i'm not sure yet if I want to "stick it" to the 80.

I'm looking for a cheap swap that also works, i'm not really in to high dollar swaps unless i'm buying a vehicle with it already done.

 

[mtweller]

There's nothing cheap when you start talking NV4500 - you'd get into tcase, and driveshafts, plus ask Martin about how much the tranny alone will set you back. With diesel prices nearly $.50 / gallon higher than gas right now, I'd question this a bit more if I were you, if you plan on putting many miles on the thing. I'd talke to Luke about practical numbers for mileage - because I doubt you'd see similar numbers to the Mercedes application, even if the weight is the same. You'll have AWD, huge increase in rolling resistance, added wind resistance, etc. I'm guessing you'd see a pretty big difference between what that motor sees mileage-wise in a Mercedes vs. an 80. Just my .02, but I "get" that diesel itch.

 

[72rockcruiser]

Cough LS1 cough

 

[lt1fire]

There's nothing cheap when you start talking NV4500 - you'd get into tcase, and driveshafts, plus ask Martin about how much the tranny alone will set you back. With diesel prices nearly $.50 / gallon higher than gas right now, I'd question this a bit more if I were you, if you plan on putting many miles on the thing. I'd talke to Luke about practical numbers for mileage - because I doubt you'd see similar numbers to the Mercedes application, even if the weight is the same. You'll have AWD, huge increase in rolling resistance, added wind resistance, etc. I'm guessing you'd see a pretty big difference between what that motor sees mileage-wise in a Mercedes vs. an 80. Just my .02, but I "get" that diesel itch.

Some of the G-Wagons are Awd, list weight is 5500lbs. Not sure about added wind resistance i'm sure an 80 is actually more stream lined than a big military brick that a G-Wagon is.

I am eventually going to do a 2wd conversion.

Nv4500's go for as low as $600 on most sites to the remaned versions for $1200. (I know they can go for higher but I can find the deals on GM stuff easily) GM T-cases are equally as cheap. I'm used to the GM stuff, cut my teath on it. The biggest thing stopping that is Andrea likes to drive the 80 but I don't think would if it was an stick

The more expensive diesel is nominal. It swings up and down all the time. Eventually MPG will equal that out anyway. I am going to start making my own bio fuel for it anyway. I'm hoping soon that the gov sees the great applications in diesel and starts pushing for more diesel cars due to the possibilities of bio fuels. Algae, corn syrup... etc. (When that happens I think used diesl engine prices will go up) <all this is just hypothetical but I hope it happens>

I probaly should have thrown all that in there in my first post because all your points are pretty valid to the conversation.

I should clarify that when I say cheap i'm not talking dollar store prices, I just threw that in beacause I didn't want the inevitable Toy diesel or 4bt popping up. I can get either of these engines in good condition for the average of $600 vs 3k up to 10k for the others.
But at the same time if I keep the 440F tranny the conversion kit is roughly 1k from luke. I could find a good running engine for around $600. Change the gas tank and fuel system. And get motor mounts fabbed fabed up. That would be all there is for parts really. (a few other things also but i'm not going to list the small stuff)

 

[lt1fire]

Cough LS1 cough

Yeah I would if I was going for a pure off road rig. I'm trying to find a common ground here between off-roader and expo since we often use the 80 for camping where no trails are.

Plus I don't like broken axle shafts as much as you

My next car will have an LS engine in it again though.

 

[mtweller]

I guess the 4500 would be sick, but you'll have to figure out somewhere to put the shifter Seems like a lot of work to me. I missed the part about the G-Wagons, I was going on the sedans mentioned earlier in the post. I bet the mpg numbers would be similar, of course on 37's and up in the air like your truck is, you could expect a little lower.

I'm guessing that motor has a real flat torque curve, like most diesels, but a quick look at the specs shows only 181lb/ft at 2400rpm. I would think that would be a dog, knowing what the 135/210 2F feels like in a lighter 40 series. I know diesels feel a good bit different, but I'd just be a bit leery personally since it'll be a daily driver.

I have to agree about the whole diesel situation in general. Diesel prices make me sick. It's the most blatant example of price fixing in the global economy. It costs far less to refine diesel than gasoline and they simply control the price with supply. Why the US hasn't embraced diesel technology more is beyond me - cleaner, more efficient, and these days the motors don't give up much comfort to gassers. Like you said Al, hopefully that will change soon, but who knows. I'm on a soapbox now that I'm spending over $80 at the pump - it's just ridiculous.

 

[lt1fire]

Q

I guess the 4500 would be sick, but you'll have to figure out somewhere to put the shifter Seems like a lot of work to me. I missed the part about the G-Wagons, I was going on the sedans mentioned earlier in the post. I bet the mpg numbers would be similar, of course on 37's and up in the air like your truck is, you could expect a little lower.

I'm guessing that motor has a real flat torque curve, like most diesels, but a quick look at the specs shows only 181lb/ft at 2400rpm. I would think that would be a dog, knowing what the 135/210 2F feels like in a lighter 40 series. I know diesels feel a good bit different, but I'd just be a bit leery personally since it'll be a daily driver.

I have to agree about the whole diesel situation in general. Diesel prices make me sick. It's the most blatant example of price fixing in the global economy. It costs far less to refine diesel than gasoline and they simply control the price with supply. Why the US hasn't embraced diesel technology more is beyond me - cleaner, more efficient, and these days the motors don't give up much comfort to gassers. Like you said Al, hopefully that will change soon, but who knows. I'm on a soapbox now that I'm spending over $80 at the pump - it's just ridiculous.

Hopefully, it will. Yeah the power output is what never made me think of it. Truth be told I thought the G-Wagons had different engines in it till I ran into a guy in one at the gas station on Saturday. It was up on 34's and was looking to go to 315's at some point. His rig was pretty slicked out. Had factory 6.17 axle gears. But he said the thing drove wonderfully, Had an AZ plate on it, he was passing through on his way from Georgia to PA visiting family.
They can be modded faily easily to get better power numbers.... better not meaning that much better but it seems good enough to push that thing around. Plus..... his engine had over 300k on it and didn't seem to be showing its age.

 

[little_joe]

What is your goal? To swap a diesel in just to do it? Power? MPG? From my perspective neither engine makes much sense unless your 3FE is dying or dead, or you're doing it to just do it: the MB is weaker than the 3FE (and hopped up for a bit more power you'll not get any decent mpg), the Chevy is a bit more rational but seems an awful lot of work and expense for not much return.

You also have NC regulations to consider, I don't think you can swap in an engine older than your vehicle.

 

[lt1fire]

Why??? couple reasons
I love the diesel sounds, every land cruiser, SUV that I remember from when I was a kind or that my relatives owned was a diesel. Just seems right.

mileage, a "hoped" up OM will still get good mileage, i'd do my research and not just dump massive amounts of fuel in there. I can stand a vehicle with bad gas mileage, but it has to be fun and sound good at the same time. The cruiser isn't a "fun" vehicle to drive on the hwy with the 3FE. (my old 1gen camaro got horrible mileage, 454, but was a blast to drive) Now if it was slow but still had a great diesel sound, or V8 sound, I could live with it. Then there is the gas station a few times a week.

ability to run home made fuel (i've always liked this idea, if I had a ton of acres i'd have crops just for it) Like I hinted at before I hope the gov pushes for more diesel vehicles and home grown fuel (regulated not actually at home)

I asked about the regs here quiet a few times before moving because that was always a consideration. I've never heard that it had to be a newer diesel engine.


It is that way in cali though.

 

[Mtbcoach]

You also have NC regulations to consider, I don't think you can swap in an engine older than your vehicle.

I asked about the regs here quiet a few times before moving because that was always a consideration. I've never heard that it had to be a newer diesel engine.


It is that way in cali though.

From my understanding, it is a Fed law that one can only replace an engine with one that was offered by the manufacturer as either standard or an option. Yet, if the vehicle has a salvage title, one can do as they wish with engine swaps. All this being said, there is a manufacture date that I don't have in front of me.

This is not to say there are ways around things just like importing vehicles, some people know how to get around such things...

 

[Mtbcoach]

Here is some info with actual laws...

Since this topic pops up now and again here is what the EPA said about it.


Pursuant to frequent requests for information received by the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regarding the legality and effects of engine switching, this document will summarize federal law and policy pertaining to this matter, and will discuss other related issues.

A. Federal Law

The federal tampering prohibition is contained in section 203(a)(3) of
the Clean Air Act (Act), 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3). Section 203(a)(3)(A) of the Act prohibits any person from removing or rendering inoperative any emission control device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine prior to its sale and delivery to an ultimate purchaser and prohibits any person from knowingly removing or rendering inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery, and the causing thereof. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section by a manufacturer or dealer is $25,000; for any other person, $2,500.
Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the Act prohibits any person from manufacturing or selling, or offering to sell, or installing, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, and where the person
knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for
sale or is being installed for such use. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section is $2,500.

EPA received many questions regarding the application of this law to a
situation where one engine is removed from a vehicle and another engine is installed in its place.

EPA's policy regarding "engine switching" is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. lA
(Attachment 1). This policy states that EPA will not consider any
modification to a "certified configuration" to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that emissions
are not adversely affected. In many cases, proper emission testing according to the Federal Test Procedure would be necessary to make this determination.

A "certified configuration" is an engine or engine chassis design which has been "certified" (approved) by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an
application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or engine chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then "certifies" each acceptable design for use, in vehicles of the upcoming model year.

For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty engine into a different light-duty vehicle by any person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A. The appropriate source for technical information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle manufacturer.

For heavy-duty vehicles, the resulting vehicle must contain a heavy-duty engine which is identical to a certified configuration of a heavy-duty engine of the same model year or newer as the year of the installed engine. Under no circumstances, however, may a heavy-duty engine ever be installed in a light-duty vehicle.

The most common engine replacement involves replacing a gasoline engine in a light-duty vehicle with another gasoline engine. Another type of engine switching which commonly occurs, however, involves diesel powered vehicles where the diesel engine is removed and replaced with a gasoline engine.
Applying the above policy, such a replacement is legal only if the resulting engine-chassis configuration is equivalent to a certified configuration of the same model year or newer as the chassis. If the vehicle chassis in question has been certified with gasoline, as well as diesel engines(as is common), such a conversion could be done legally.

 

[lt1fire]

hmmmm I think it is state by state. I've never heard of anyone running into a federal problem when doing an engine swap just local/state laws.

Under those fed laws the 4bt in Alex's cruiser would be in violation and not be able to be registered.

 

[Mtbcoach]

Ummm, that is why I quoted the above EPA regulations to help avoid speculation. States go above, not below the above regulations.

As I stated, with a salvage title, rules don't apply though I don't know any specifics regarding Alex's rig. We all know there are ways around things, just wanted to help with the questions posed...

 

[lt1fire]

Ummm, that is why I quoted the above EPA regulations to help avoid speculation. States go above, not below the above regulations.

As I stated, with a salvage title, rules don't apply though I don't know any specifics regarding Alex's rig. We all know there are ways around things, just wanted to help with the questions posed...

I wasn't arguing with you just stating that i've never seen anyone post up about running into federal problems on motor swaps. In cali the 4bt swaps are illegal because they are classified as industrial engines, but there are some loop holes.

 

[lt1fire]

One other thing I need to think of though are other state laws. I don't know if I will be in NC forever, although I do like it here, I may eventually end up moving back to the desert so I would have to try to make this conform to cali laws also.

 

[Mtbcoach]

I wasn't arguing with you just stating that i've never seen anyone post up about running into federal problems on motor swaps. In cali the 4bt swaps are illegal because they are classified as industrial engines, but there are some loop holes.

My guess is that's just because it is the state agency which refuses registration/title.

The 4bt swap would fall into the "light duty vs heavy duty" section of what I posted. At least, that is what I would assume.

As in this state, when I looked into it, I found the same.

NC statutes that may be applicable...

20‑53.1. Specially constructed vehicle certificate of title and registration.
(a) Specially constructed vehicles shall be titled in the following manner:
(1) Replica vehicles shall be titled as the year, make, and model of the vehicle intended to be replicated. A label of "Replica" shall be applied to the title and registration card. All replica vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially Constructed Vehicle."
(2) The model year of a street rod vehicle shall continue to be recognized as the manufacturer's assigned model year. The manufacturer's name shall continue to be used as the make with a label of "Street Rod" applied to the title and registration card. All street rod vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially Constructed Vehicle."
(3) Custom‑built vehicles shall be titled and registered showing the make as "Custom‑built," and the year the vehicle was built shall be the vehicle model year. All custom‑built vehicle titles shall be labeled "Specially Constructed Vehicle."
(b) Inoperable vehicles may be titled, but no registration may be issued until such time as the License and Theft Bureau inspects the vehicle to ensure it is substantially assembled. Once a vehicle has been verified as substantially assembled pursuant to an inspection by the License and Theft Bureau, the Commissioner shall title the vehicle by classifying it in the proper category and collecting all highway use taxes applicable to the value of the car at the time the vehicle is retitled to a proper classification, as described in this section.
(c) Motor vehicle certificates of title and registration cards issued pursuant to this section shall be labeled in accordance with this section. As used in this section, "labeled" means that the title and registration card shall contain a designation that discloses if the vehicle is classified as any of the following:
(1) Specially constructed vehicle.
(2) Inoperable vehicle. (2009‑405, s. 2.)

§ 20‑70. Division to be notified when another engine is installed or body changed.
(a) Whenever a motor vehicle registered hereunder is altered by the installation of another engine in place of an engine, the number of which is shown in the registration records, or the installation of another body in place of a body, the owner of such motor vehicle shall immediately give notice to the Division in writing on a form prepared by it, which shall state the number of the former engine and the number of the newly installed engine, the registration number of the motor vehicle, the name of the owner and any other information which the Division may require. Whenever another engine has been substituted as provided in this section, and the notice given as required hereunder, the Division shall insert the number of the newly installed engine upon the registration card and certificate of title issued for such motor vehicle.
(b) Whenever a new engine or serial number has been assigned to and stamped upon a motor vehicle as provided in G.S. 20‑69, or whenever a new engine has been installed or body changed as provided in this section, the Division shall require the owner to surrender to the Division the registration card and certificate of title previously issued for said vehicle. The Division shall also require the owner to make application for a duplicate registration card and a duplicate certificate of title showing the new motor or serial number thereon or new style of body, and upon receipt of such application and fee, as for any other duplicate title, the Division shall issue to said owner a duplicate registration and a duplicate certificate of title showing thereon the new number in place of the original number or the new style of body.
(c) The notification and registration requirements contained in subsections (a) and (b) of this section regarding an engine change shall be required only if the motor vehicle into which a new engine is installed uses an engine number as the sole means to identify the vehicle. (1937, c. 407, s. 34; 1943, c. 726; 1975, c. 716, s. 5; 2009‑405, s. 3.)

§ 20‑71.3. Salvage and other vehicles – titles and registration cards to be branded.
(a) Motor vehicle certificates of title and registration cards issued pursuant to G.S. 20‑57 shall be branded in accordance with this section.
As used in this section, "branded" means that the title and registration card shall contain a designation that discloses if the vehicle is classified as any of the following:
(1) Salvage Motor Vehicle.
(2) Salvage Rebuilt Vehicle.
(3) Reconstructed Vehicle.
(4) Flood Vehicle.
(5) Non‑U.S.A. Vehicle.
(6) Any other classification authorized by law.
(a1) Any motor vehicle that is declared a total loss by an insurance company licensed and approved to conduct business in North Carolina, in addition to the designations noted in subsection (a) of this section, shall:
(1) Have the title and registration card marked "TOTAL LOSS CLAIM".
(2) Have a tamperproof permanent marker inserted into the doorjamb of that vehicle by the Division, at the time of the final inspection of the reconstructed vehicle, that states "TOTAL LOSS CLAIM VEHICLE". Should that vehicle be later reconstructed, repaired, or rebuilt, a permanent tamperproof marker shall be inserted in the doorjamb of the reconstructed, repaired, or rebuilt vehicle.
(b) Any motor vehicle up to and including six model years old damaged by collision or other occurrence, that is to be retitled in this State, shall be subject to preliminary and final inspections by the Enforcement Section of the Division. For purposes of this section, the term "six model years" shall be calculated by counting the model year of the vehicle's manufacture as the first model year and the current calendar year as the final model year.
These inspections serve as antitheft measures and do not certify the safety or road‑worthiness of a vehicle.
(c) The Division shall not retitle a vehicle described in subsection (b) of this section that has not undergone the preliminary and final inspections required by that subsection.
(d) Any motor vehicle up to and including six model years old that has been inspected pursuant to subsection (b) of this section may be retitled with an unbranded title based upon a title application by the rebuilder with a supporting affidavit disclosing all of the following:
(1) The parts used or replaced.
(2) The major components replaced.
(3) The hours of labor and the hourly labor rate.
(4) The total cost of repair.
(5) The existence, if applicable, of the doorjamb "TOTAL LOSS CLAIM VEHICLE" marker.
The unbranded title shall be issued only if the cost of repairs, including parts and labor, does not exceed seventy‑five percent (75%) of its fair market retail value.
(e) Any motor vehicle more than six model years old damaged by collision or other occurrence that is to be retitled by the State may be retitled, without inspection, with an unbranded title based upon a title application by the rebuilder with a supporting affidavit disclosing all of the following:
(1) The parts used or replaced.
(2) The major components replaced.
(3) The hours of labor and the hourly labor rate.
(4) The total cost of repair.
(5) The existence, if applicable, of the doorjamb "TOTAL LOSS CLAIM VEHICLE" marker.
(6) The cost to replace the air bag restraint system.
The unbranded title shall be issued only if the cost of repairs, including parts and labor and excluding the cost to replace the air bag restraint system, does not exceed seventy‑five percent (75%) of its fair market retail value.
(f) The Division shall maintain the affidavits required by this section and make them available for review and copying by persons researching the salvage and repair history of the vehicle.
(g) Any motor vehicle that has been branded in another state shall be branded with the nearest applicable brand specified in this section, except that no junk vehicle or vehicle that has been branded junk in another state shall be titled or registered.
(h) A branded title for a salvage motor vehicle damaged by collision or other occurrence shall be issued as follows:
(1) For motor vehicles up to and including six model years old, a branded title shall be issued if the cost of repairs, including parts and labor, exceeds seventy‑five percent (75%) of its fair market value at the time of the collision or other occurrence.
(2) For motor vehicles more than six model years old, a branded title shall be issued if the cost of repairs, including parts and labor and excluding the cost to replace the air bag restraint system, exceeds seventy‑five percent (75%) of its fair market value at the time of the collision or other occurrence.
(i) Once the Division has issued a branded title for a motor vehicle all subsequent titles for that motor vehicle shall continue to reflect the branding.
(j) The Division shall prepare necessary forms and doorjamb marker specifications and may adopt rules required to carry out the provisions of this Part. (1987, c. 607, s. 1; 1987 (Reg. Sess., 1988), c. 1105, s. 2; 1989, c. 455, ss. 2, 3; 1989 (Reg. Sess., 1990), c. 916, s. 1; 1997‑443, s. 32.26; 1998‑212, s. 27.8(a); 2003‑258, s. 1.)

§ 20‑128. Exhaust system and emissions control devices.
(a) No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway unless such motor vehicle is equipped with a muffler, or other exhaust system of the type installed at the time of manufacture, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, annoying smoke and smoke screens.
(b) It shall be unlawful to use a "muffler cut‑out" on any motor vehicle upon a highway.
(c) No motor vehicle registered in this State that was manufactured after model year 1967 shall be operated in this State unless it is equipped with emissions control devices that were installed on the vehicle at the time the vehicle was manufactured and these devices are properly connected.
(d) The requirements of subsection (c) of this section shall not apply if the emissions control devices have been removed for the purpose of converting the motor vehicle to operate on natural or liquefied petroleum gas or other modifications have been made in order to reduce air pollution and these modifications are approved by the Department of Environment and Natural Resources. (1937, c. 407, s. 91; 1971, c. 455, s. 1; 1983, c. 132; 1989, c. 727, s. 9; 1997‑443, s. 11A.119(a); 2000‑134, s. 6.)

 

[strong_toy]

FWIW, I learned to drive in a '80 300CD with the 3.0L 5 cyl diesel (non-turbo) and the engine is a dog. It was reliable, because my Mom bought it new and drove it for over 10 years. I would not want to put it in a Land Cruiser with 35" tires and transfer case. I guess you could consider a later 300 turbo diesel, but don't know if that's worth the headache.

 

[PhrogsPhorever]

Yeah, my 80 is definitely in the grey area But, I have finagled a diesel title for NC so I'm not worrying too much

It really does vary from state to state, a lot of it is just getting with the right person in the DMV.

I currently have an E300D for my daily driver, great little engine.

 

[addicted56]

I've had many of these engines and cars. Restored a couple of them and kick myself in the head everytime I think about me getting rid of them.

The engines themselves are the greatest thing since sliced bread in a car. The turbo versions have plenty of power and can be modifiied. I had over 315K miles on my wagon and it only had a rear main leak that wasn't enough to worry about. Still had great compression and I found the thing in a farmers field where it had been sitting forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca8J2UFoDSQ

But that said I would never put this in the 80. Just not enough power. The 4.5L in there now doesn't make enough power when you go to 35's and don't regear. It does ok but BARELY. So there is no way in hell the diesel will do it. I had a buddy put in an intercooler and upgrade to an M-pump that came on euro cars and it did well but still probably not good enough. The Swedish do some crazy things with those engines but then you defeart the entire point of your swap. You won't be able to do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPPtGMkk-uE

Engine swaps also take a long time. Did one in my 56 Ford and that took us quite awhile and we even used the same engine and tranny and computer from the donor vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97H6aShh9E&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

It would be easier and cheaper to buy one of those diesel 4 runners in the classifieds and do a SAS. Or my new dream swap is a V10 diesel Touareg with a front and rear SAS. There is one in your neck of the woods right now for sale on CL . Drop in 10K on a custom solid axle swap and DOMINATE!!!! Problem is they are POS and will cost you more than you bought it for in maintenance. I think they have a 100% failure rate for the driveshafts within 100K miles . And NO factory recall and anything and everything that breaks on them.

Buy the steal of a deal 3FE turbo that has been for sale for months on here and be happy enough and done with it.

 

[lt1fire]

Buy the steal of a deal 3FE turbo that has been for sale for months on here and be happy enough and done with it.

I have it on good authority that, that has been sold.

If I was to stay a gasser, then a lsx engine would be going it. But I just want a diesel. I'm most likely going to end up putting a gm diesel in there with almost no electronics for ease.

For a DD I'm going to sell the ranger and try to find a 300SD wagon and then maybe eventually a 4runner (1st gen like this one YouTube - OM617 Turbo Diesel Toyota 4Runner )to swap a OM617 in to