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I am pretty sure the power steering pump failure is from the mud. I have a feeling this would count as extreme use.
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Show me one Toyota advertisement where the vehicle is on the road. This is an off-road vehicle and Toyota markets it as such. They can quibble all they want, but I will drive it like it begs to be driven. Roads are for
.Sprinkler underneath the truck.
Also, that's not even mud. It's just some wet dirt.
Also, that's not even mud. It's just some wet dirt.
Show me one Toyota advertisement where the vehicle is on the road. This is an off-road vehicle and Toyota markets it as such. They can quibble all they want, but I will drive it like it begs to be driven. Roads are for
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Show me one Toyota advertisement where the vehicle is on the road. This is an off-road vehicle and Toyota markets it as such. They can quibble all they want, but I will drive it like it begs to be driven. Roads are for
I am not saying that the Land Cruiser is not an off road vehicle. Driving the vehicle as an off road vehicle is what Toyota designed it for.
However, there is a difference between driving an off road vehicle off road and driving an off road Land Cruiser with extreme use.
let me guess, 4runners are better offroad?
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Update: My new pump will be here next week. Damn special order items 
Now I have a Dodge Ram rental truck. Makes me really miss my LC
Just curious here: how many of you have scraped up your stock bumpers underside, front and/or rear?
(Not you DTT with your behemoth front end
)
Now I have a Dodge Ram rental truck. Makes me really miss my LC
Just curious here: how many of you have scraped up your stock bumpers underside, front and/or rear?
(Not you DTT with your behemoth front end
)
lol.....glad to hear things are getting fixed.
sleeoffroad
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All I can say is good luck. Sticking a car into mud like that is not good. Period. Doesn't matter that you think it is a off-road car. Imagine you are putting a rubbing compound with some serious grid on every single sealing surface where a shaft comes out of an assembly. There is a ton of them. Eventually the seals will fail. This is not Toyota's fault. You need to get that thing super clean underneath again, or you are going to have problems down the road. Believe me, we have made a lot of money from resealing parts from people doing this. FJ, 80, 100, doesn't matter, outcome will be the same.
The vehicle is simply not designed to be driven in mud up to the doors. I agree, that is not off-road, that is abuse. I am sure they list a fording depth somewhere that is intended to be a guide as to how deep you can submerge the vehicle in water. I am pretty sure that is not up to the doors and it is water, not mud.
The vehicle is simply not designed to be driven in mud up to the doors. I agree, that is not off-road, that is abuse. I am sure they list a fording depth somewhere that is intended to be a guide as to how deep you can submerge the vehicle in water. I am pretty sure that is not up to the doors and it is water, not mud.
Might need to go to a place with a lift and steam-cleaning equipment.
Just power-wash the underside, but watch out for electrical connectors.
I disagree, the wading depth in stock form is about 700mm, just like most other modern 4x4s like the RR or LR3. This is not relevant to mud.
It should handle deep mud with ease, which is why Toyota must honor the warranty. Most of the off-roading we do out here is mud-based rather than the rock crawling you guys do in the US. Not heard of a similar failure yet. Where is the power-steering pump on the 5.7 V8 and how would mud damage it?
I disagree, the wading depth in stock form is about 700mm, just like most other modern 4x4s like the RR or LR3. This is not relevant to mud.
It should handle deep mud with ease, which is why Toyota must honor the warranty. Most of the off-roading we do out here is mud-based rather than the rock crawling you guys do in the US. Not heard of a similar failure yet. Where is the power-steering pump on the 5.7 V8 and how would mud damage it?
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I see all the arguments here but in the end....LC 200 is Toyota's flagship product. What happened to qualifying your hardware - Test Like You Drive a 4x4 Philosophy - prior to selling them to the public? Everyone on the LC 200 Chat Board paid at least 70K+ give or take for this SUV because most of us think highly of Toyota LC quality process at the Tahara plant where defects are the lowest in the industries. I don't think it is out right a mea culpa on this guy's part by taking his LC off road based on the LC off road legendary rationale.
So to hear that parts burnt/failed because the LC was trekking in mud bothers me a lot. I guess I will take a hard look in several years when I am ready for another off road vehicle.
So to hear that parts burnt/failed because the LC was trekking in mud bothers me a lot. I guess I will take a hard look in several years when I am ready for another off road vehicle.
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Yeah, 700mm = 28in. I was nowhere near 28" of mud. As far as the power steering pump, I have no idea where it is. And Toyota confirmed that mud was not the cause, at least directly. Mud wasn't found anywhere near the pump itself. This is a defect item. I am not bashing Toyota for a single-unit defect, but I will if others have similar problems later on. Toyota is quick on the ball when issues are found on a large scale, such as the TSB on the driveshaft replacements.
Steering in mud poses LESS stress on parts while moving forward than does steering while stationary on rubberized asphalt. At no point in time did I feel any stress from the wheel. In fact, everything drove fine up until I was on the highway returning home. Keep in mind that this was not a TOTAL failure of the pump. The vehicle drove and handled like new when at speeds above 2-5mph. The problem was extremely evident between 0-2mph (especially when trying to backup into a parking space, which was impossible) and towards "hard lock" left or right.
So again, thank you Toyota for standing by your product and taking care of the issue without hassle. This is why customers purchase Land Cruisers. If I had bought a RangeRover, I might be having to throw fists (figuratively, of course). Once I get my new pump, it's back off to the trails.
Oh, and thank you Slee for the heads up on the bearings. I have a powerwasher at my house and after already spending 6 hours cleaning everything, I will jack it up and remove each wheel and perform a therough spraying of all joints/bearings/moving parts.
And yeah, I H8 MUD.
Never again
never say never...there will be another time, just make sure u clean it off well after each time.
The LC 200 TTD is 700 mm.
Yep , definatley extreme , "mud to up to doors" - oops wet dirt, hahahaha
I am glad to hear Toyota stood by its reputation. One can only rely so much only Legend and in the end - what will bring back loyals and the like to Toyota are Quality and Reliability. Look what happened to GM today and we are the one invented the automobile:
<sic>".....Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, who has led the automaker since 2000, faces new pressure to step aside as GM seeks up to $18 billion in federal funding. While we're still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you," the ad said. "At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs became lackluster."
I hope Toyota is watching...
<sic>".....Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, who has led the automaker since 2000, faces new pressure to step aside as GM seeks up to $18 billion in federal funding. While we're still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you," the ad said. "At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs became lackluster."
I hope Toyota is watching...
sleeoffroad
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Uhm
You sure
That is good to know.
Oh, and thank you Slee for the heads up on the bearings. I have a powerwasher at my house and after already spending 6 hours cleaning everything, I will jack it up and remove each wheel and perform a therough spraying of all joints/bearings/moving parts.
And yeah, I H8 MUD.
Never again
Power washing is worse since you know blow the grit into the seals. The garden sprinkler is really the best.