Damage multiplier effect of a snorkel (1 Viewer)

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kcjaz

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As some of you know, I have "completed" my 2nd 200 build after totaling my 1st 200. I won't go into the details of that here as that is chronicled in other threads. Just go to my build thread if you are interested in that story.

One thing that I have not yet re-installed is my snorkel. I had a Fabulous Fabrications stainless steel snorkel and liked it, but after my accident, and seeing the "collateral" damage it caused, I am rethinking if I really want to put it on the new rig. Part of what drew me to the FF snorkel was that it was metal. I've seen several snorkels get crushed and broken when hit by a tree. I thought metal was better than plastic or fiberglass and would prevent that but after experiencing hittings trees with my snorkel, and seeing the damage the metal tube inflicted on the inner fender, air intake and A-pilar, I'm not sure metal is better. Don't get me wrong, my truck would have been totaled either way. I'm just saying that with the FF snorkel, a fender hit that might just break a plastic snorkel and mess up/dent the outer fender will now likely mess up the inner fender and rip out the rivnuts on the A-pillar. The inner fender is all factory welded together and really costly to repair back to OEM spec. In fact, what I found that most of the body shops around here don't want that kind of work. From my quotes, if you are into the inner fender and A-pillar, you are looking at a $20K repair at a body shop.

So, I'm considering going snorkeless, or switching to a plastic one. I just don't like the look of any of the plastic ones. I've also thought about modifying the FF snorkel in some way to reduce the damage multiplier potential. The only thing I've come up with is cutting a section out of it at the A-pillar and adding a rubber section to eliminate the level arm that rips out the rivnuts of the fender is hit. I've also wondered if I could somehow reinforce the fender to help reduce inner fender damage if there was an impact. If there was a plastic or fiberglass snorkel that looked like the FF snorkel, I'd do that.

Thoughts?

FWIW, I already have a replacement FF snorkel in a box that I bought when I thought I was going to repair the truck. I may offer that up for sale if I decide to do a different route.
 
How many times did you need the snorkel for water crossings on the first 200. If the answer is 0, skip it.
The funny thing about that is that my primary reason for installing it was the trip I was on when I wrecked my truck. We were doing the High Water Mark trail in Arkansas and there were a lot of water crossings. I ripped the snorkel off the truck before the first water crossing. Went through some top of wheel well deep crossings with a gaping hole in my fender duct tapped closed. So yeah, maybe no snorkel needed from that experience though I was just one unseen hole away from really bad. I think for me, im more probably likely to hit a tree or a rock or be in a traffic accident than face deep water.
 
How many times did you need the snorkel for water crossings on the first 200. If the answer is 0, skip it.
A Snorkels primary use is not for water crossing, I try not to go into water deep enough to make said needed, it is to draw in the higher cool air above the vehicle and dust getting kicked up on the trail. My air intake temperatures with a snorkel are significantly lower then without one.
 
I wasn’t trying to start another what’s a snorkel really for thread. I understand all of that. What I didn’t understand or even consider was how much damage a hard metal tube routed through your fender can cause when hit. Just another thing to consider in the cost/benefit analysis.
 
How many times did you need the snorkel for water crossings on the first 200. If the answer is 0, skip it.
I'd like to remind my esteemed colleague here that a snorkel is worth roughly four racing stripes worth of horsepower (up) and 1.15 MPG (down).

But seriously: if you ever drive behind someone on a dusty trail, that 'raised air intake' is quite effective in protecting your air filter just a little longer.
 
Toyota has a factory one that came with my VDJ200. The head is fugly, but I swapped that out with one of the cyclone types from the USA. I work in the bush an awful lot and have had the Toyota snorkel get beat hard and it’s never even come close getting torn off or broken. I also replaced the OEM one on my VDJ79 with a safari snorkel and it receives the same bashing and treatment. Both of them, Toyota and Safari are quite tough. Not sure about the Safari appearance on a 200, but the Toyota one with a different head looks pretty good.
 
A Snorkels primary use is not for water crossing, I try not to go into water deep enough to make said needed, it is to draw in the higher cool air above the vehicle and dust getting kicked up on the trail. My air intake temperatures with a snorkel are significantly lower then without one.
This is what guys who do not need a snorkel tell themselves to justify having a snorkel.


Mark...
 
Many tend to forget the exposure of the alternator as a weak link in the where can I go equation.
I dunk alternators routinely. A submerged alt is not a big deal.

Mark...
 
The funny thing about that is that my primary reason for installing it was the trip I was on when I wrecked my truck. We were doing the High Water Mark trail in Arkansas and there were a lot of water crossings. I ripped the snorkel off the truck before the first water crossing. Went through some top of wheel well deep crossings with a gaping hole in my fender duct tapped closed. So yeah, maybe no snorkel needed from that experience though I was just one unseen hole away from really bad. I think for me, im more probably likely to hit a tree or a rock or be in a traffic accident than face deep water.
You live in Kansas. I am gonna venture that you do not need a snorkel. ;)

Mark...
 
Toyota has a factory one that came with my VDJ200. The head is fugly, but I swapped that out with one of the cyclone types from the USA. I work in the bush an awful lot and have had the Toyota snorkel get beat hard and it’s never even come close getting torn off or broken. I also replaced the OEM one on my VDJ79 with a safari snorkel and it receives the same bashing and treatment. Both of them, Toyota and Safari are quite tough. Not sure about the Safari appearance on a 200, but the Toyota one with a different head looks pretty good.
wish I could pay you to get a oem one
 
Toyota has a factory one that came with my VDJ200. The head is fugly, but I swapped that out with one of the cyclone types from the USA. I work in the bush an awful lot and have had the Toyota snorkel get beat hard and it’s never even come close getting torn off or broken. I also replaced the OEM one on my VDJ79 with a safari snorkel and it receives the same bashing and treatment. Both of them, Toyota and Safari are quite tough. Not sure about the Safari appearance on a 200, but the Toyota one with a different head looks pretty good.

Have a pic?
 
You live in Kansas. I am gonna venture that you do not need a snorkel. ;)

Mark...
Live in KS, yes. Stay in KS, no.

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I made this crossing with a duct tapped hole from where the snorkel had been earlier in the day. When I got across, the water line in the dust inside the fender was about 1.5” from the intake nozzle.
 
@Mark W did u make sure to get it all cleaned out from under ur finger nails....
haha. Naw man you misunderstand the tag line. There was no poop flung here, nor is there any argument. Perhaps a bit of thin skin maybe.

Mark...
 
Live in KS, yes. Stay in KS, no.

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I made this crossing with a duct tapped hole from where the snorkel had been earlier in the day. When I got across, the water line in the dust inside the fender was about 1.5” from the intake nozzle.

I did notice your comment about a specific trail in Arkansas that you visited. But it sounds to me like that is not a normal part of the use of your rig. And... well, hopefully *your* skin is not overly thin because this is not in anyway a put down or comment about anyone's manhood or any of the other silliness that people get all mixed up with their vehicles and choices made.... I see an established trail that crosses a slow flowing creek with a max water depth encountered of less than 3 feet with a solid and uniform bottom. Definitely a crossing that a street car would be best advised to avoid! But nothing for your Cruiser to worry about. ;) And as you stated yourself, you did not have or need a snorkel during this crossing. Your post revolves around wondering if you really need a snorkel. Based on the environment and potential uses of your rig where you live and the type rig you have, I am still gonna weigh in that you really do not need to spend the money or do the body mods for a snorkel. More so in that is seems that this crossing or any others like it are not a routine event in the use of the vehicle?

Is there a downside to having a snorkel? Not in my opinion. And lots of people DO install them purely for the look. Nothing wrong with that. An awful lot of things are done to people's rigs purely for the look. But since you are pondering if you need one or not, I am gonna say that you do not *need* one.

I guess a small downside of most snorkels is that on tight brushy trails they can be damage prone. I have busted a few head sections on the ARB snorkels and the clones of that unit that are found everywhere. They are easy enough to replace, but I have not figured out a good way to protect that them yet. I have even broken much heavier custom made snorkel heads. There is always gonna be a tougher tree just waiting to show you who's the boss. That is the strongest appeal for me of the Fabulous Fabrications stainless steel snorkel that you have. Much closer to the body and it conforms, rather than sticking out just waiting to get snagged.

Mark...
 
lots of people DO install them purely for the looks
Agreed.

Yup, 99.99% of the stuff USDM LC owners put on their cars are for looks, however they all always hate on snorkels, I dont get it

I have been a member of all the Lc series on this forum for many years but 200 series USDM owners are the most interesting.

They will put 37 on their brodozer lift to go down the street, but they will all day hate on 245 tires and snorkels on 200 series which come on 200 series OEM in many parts of the world.

To each his own

Let the snorkel owners be
 
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