Come on...convert a Rover guy

[Jukelemon]

Yes I fit into one that owns a 80 (use to be two, both modifyed). And what I do for a living is maintain and customize cruisers(60, 80, 100's). So I think that the knowledge I have lands me into a different catagory. I apoligize if I gone beyond when I try and dispell myth's and just plain Bull Sh*t. But numbers and facts are that, conjector and opinion are just that also.
So where do you draw the line. If a person continually spews opinion and conjector as fact then who and when does the facts come out. I continully state I will have a 100 some day, I beleive they are a great rig. I do not have any riffs with 100 series, but the continous Crap that comes out of anyone person's mouth is a little irritating at time. Yes there is some content at times to Johns statment but for the most part he does not work on his trucks and defends his statement with hearsay, or personal experences from the seat the pants with out hearing what others are saying, or giving any credence to the facts. enough said by me on this in this thread.
I to agree that most threads like this end poorly, and will in the future if facts are not presented along with the overzelous mouthing of any one person.

the 100 series is an inprovement over the 80 in many areas, is it a vast or superior inporvement, that can be shown in a few ways. With the numbers, with documents and with statement from owners. Some times with statements from owners need to be corrected in the misinformation, That is all I am trying to do.
As for FAG, there was some information I posted to this thread that can be moved to that section if wanted.
This is in no way personal.
Yes john, buddy or buddies is ok.
see you in moab or on the trail.
Later robbie

Robbie:

I appreciate your willingness to clear the table for facts. As well, you are right in the statement you have given this forum a wealth of specs for the 100's.

I am just suggesting that we got WAY off focus and that this thread needs to be moved to chat-a more suitable place for dealing with this type of dialogue. Noone's fault. Just happened.

Now, if we can start a thread that states "technical and mechanical spec differences in 100 and 80 series), that would be cool and informative.

Juke

 

[Aseif007]

I am very glad I started reading this thread. I have learned more about the 100 series than I knew before, and this thread has solidified my knowledge about the 100 series. I am an engineer so numbers are VERY important since most of the time they do not lie. I am glad to see that my notion that the 100 series is not as stout as some of its predecessors was true. (the t-bar's stress problems, driveline size to name a few facts) This makes sense though with today's car market, and fact is not something we should argue about as TLC owners. Most 4X4s off-road prowess has greatly to do with the driver's ability. With the 100 series and its computers it doesn;t take much driver skill to get where you are going. And that is what the car was designed for, what all the engineering in the past TLCs lead up to. I love both and all model cruisers, and anyone who owns a cruiser is a friend of mine. Just don't go making outragous claims that do not add up when put on paper. We kinda sound like the Rover guys when we (TLC guys) start to threaten them with our reliability and our not at sylish off-road ability, defensive. So no more bickering, but robbie is right to support his claims with actuall measurments. In the real world numbers prove or disprove conception/misconception!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I am very glad I started reading this thread. I have learned more about the 100 series than I knew before, and this thread has solidified my knowledge about the 100 series. I am an engineer so numbers are VERY important since most of the time they do not lie. I am glad to see that my notion that the 100 series is not as stout as some of its predecessors was true. (the t-bar's stress problems, driveline size to name a few facts) This makes sense though with today's car market, and fact is not something we should argue about as TLC owners. Most 4X4s off-road prowess has greatly to do with the driver's ability. With the 100 series and its computers it doesn;t take much driver skill to get where you are going. And that is what the car was designed for, what all the engineering in the past TLCs lead up to. I love both and all model cruisers, and anyone who owns a cruiser is a friend of mine. Just don't go making outragous claims that do not add up when put on paper. We kinda sound like the Rover guys when we (TLC guys) start to threaten them with our reliability and our not at sylish off-road ability, defensive. So no more bickering, but robbie is right to support his claims with actuall measurments. In the real world numbers prove or disprove conception/misconception!!

Yes, more stout on some of the "driveline" components Asief007. No on almost every other vehicle component. Depends on the part of the vehicle one wants to discuss. Yes, we should keep in perspective.

 

[Pitbull]

Hey, the day you guys in AZ start wheeling serious is when you start rating trails out of 10 or maybe you do, since your 80 & 100 can do all the 3.5 trails. What about the 9's.

I thought part of the Grand Canyon was in AZ, that should be rated at least a 9

 

[Aseif007]

Sorry for being so general. The 80 is not the best TLC. The newest TLCs will always be the best. The fact that I am an engineer means nothing, and I made/make no claims of it meaning anything. I am just pointing out that numbers mean something, that's all. Some people just think that number are something to get caught up on. I don;t give a s*** if you (lizardking100) or anyone thinks any cruiser is any better than any other cruiser, free country man. Hell, I would rather have a 62, but we all know the new cruisers are more capable/refined. I have said in my posts that the 100 isn't necessarily weak because it has some smaller parts. Although some weaknesses that no other cruisers have, have been exposed/mentioned with no explanation. Does that leave you awe-struck?....did that take my unbiased cold calculation to understand that weakness?? And I recommended the 100 series to my friend, who just recently bought one; and I wrote that the 100 would probably beat all my vehicles off road. I read this forum to learn about the 100s (because I thought I knew what they were about, but I ended up learning a lot more than I knew) and in the process I read some things that I didn't believe. So don't be awe-struck by my unbiased cold calculation of the numbers, it isn;t that hard to come to those conclusions based on the info. Again, I like the 100 series and I want to learn all I can about it because I will probably own one one day. All I know is that my FJ-62 with 33s stock gears and 3FE with high compression pistons can toast any UZJ-100 going up hill!!! I guarantee you 100 series guys would respond vehemently to that statement had I posted it. So to sum up; 40s, 55s, 60/2s, 80s, and 100s are all cool and all have their strenghs and weaknesses. I am done posting on this thread, I don;t even know what its about anymore!!!!!!!

 

[calamaridog]

Personally, my 1992 is the best all-around 4wd I've ever owned. Sure it's slow with the 3FE, gets bad gas mileage which gets worse with a roofrack/tent etc., but it will get me wherever I want to visit with a reliability that is nothing short of pure comfort. That's with 196,000 miles on it!

That being said, I really like the 100s. For my purposes, which are mild wheeling, travel, search & rescue and camping it would be an incredible all-around vehicle with the same fantastic build quality and long service life. My wife is even pushing me to upgrade once she pays off her Subaru...

-H-

And the good thing is, it appears most of your accessories are portable and will transfer over to the new 100. You'll need new bumpers though

Don't resist your wife too much, she may change her mind. And there are tons of good used 100's in AZ too!