Chinese Land Cruiser - Are diesels available?

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I just learned that I am being sent to China for a 3 year assignment in August. I know that you can buy a new Land Cruiser (100 series) or a Prado (90 series), but since I can't read Chinese, I can't figure out what engines are available. The website is www.toyota.com.cn if you want to have a look.

I figure the chance to own a diesel Land Cruiser would make up for having to live in China for three years :bounce:

Thanks for any information!

Dan
 
I can read Chinese.

It does not say in anywhere Toyota offers diesel engine for Landcrusier & Pardo

The only engine available for Landcrusier is engine model 2UZ 4.7L V8. This is the link http://www.ftms.com.cn/landcruiser/specs.php (Hope someone can tranlate for you.)

The Prado has an engine model 1GR 4.0L V6. This is the link form Toyota Hong Kong, for the Prado 4.0L V6 spec in English
http://www.toyota.com.hk/showroom/land_cruiser/specs_01.html

I read it somewhere, there is an anti Japanese brand automobile movement going on in China, due to historial reason, and there is why GM is making BIG BUCKS in China.
 
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Great! Thanks for looking. I am pretty sure that I could import a diesel Land Cruiser, or a diesel Land Rover Defender, but I wasn't sure if they were available at the dealer.

I have heard the same anti-Japanese comments. However, the number of vehicles on the road tell a different story as Honda and Toyota are gaining serious momentum. There are a ton of Buicks around Shanghai (where they are made), but for the most part they are owned by the 50,000 expats that live there. With 130 domestic automanufacturers, they are in a similiar posisiton to the US auto industry in the 20's - before consolidation. In 20 years it will be interesting to see who is in the Chinese "Big Three"

Thanks again,
Dan
 
From a web site I recently read:

Toyota builds top Land Cruiser model in China


Sichuan FAW Toyota has added a second version of the Land Cruiser Prado to its production lineup, raising overall annual production capacity from 20,000 units to 23,000 units. The newly added version of the Land Cruiser Prado - the higher-grade VX model, previously imported in CBU form from Japan - has started rolling off the line at the joint venture’s Chengdu plant, which also makes the Prado GX. Both vehicles are sold through 220 authorized FAW Toyota Motor Sales dealers. The Land Cruiser Prado VX is priced at 558,000 yuan (US$68,000).

With this latest development, Toyota's total annual vehicle production capacity in China now stands at 343,000 units. Sichuan FAW Toyota is a joint venture of Toyota Motor Corporation and First Auto Works.

2006/07/14 I 12:48 CET I Editor: marathonrally.com







I know theres a 3.0L diesel available almost everywhere else for the Prado. Why not China? :confused:


You probably could find a counterfeit one for about a third of the price, so "no worries Mate"

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If gasoline is the only type you can get, I'd avoid buying it if you plan to import it back to the US. Reason is, it'll have to meet EPA requirements. The entire vehicle will have to meet NHTSA/DOT req's, but you can have the registered importer file a petition that the US model is similar enough. Worst you'd probably have to do is to replace all the glass, headlights, side mirror glass (so it says "objects in mirror are closer than they appear," make sure the VIN plate is riveted w/ SS rivets, etc. If it's a diesel, the reg's are really lax provided you have sufficient miles on your vehicle (can't remember if it's 6K mi for CA). Otherwise, in CA, there's no smog test required for diesels (at least a few years back there wasn't). In AZ you only need 30% or so opacity in the exhaust...easy. But if you have a gasoline engine like the 2UZ, you'll have to meet requirements for that year of vehicle. Namely, you might have to buy a new engine ECU from '07. I looked into importing a HDJ100 or HZJ105 a few years back. For the additional cost and hassle, it wasn't worth it...much cheaper buying one from your local dealer.
 
Where in China? Sorry if I missed it, I read through it but did not see it.
 
:) It is my name, my fathers also. He roaming around here also, but has a new FJCrusier, so probably spends more time on that page. I think it is Gaelic, but not sure. 34 years of people telling me about my name, not sure who is full of it and who actually knows.
 
Yeah. Mine is Herschel. Golly, what a name. I must spell it 80 times a day for people on the phone. Sorry, not tech, but was curious.
 
Diesels are not allowed in passenger type vehicles in China due to emission. Besides, diesels filling stations are hard to find inside major cities in China.
 
Never been to China. How is the road system, congestion, freedom to use the roads ect ...

Is it worth it for an expat to plan on owning a car there?
 
Diesels are not allowed in passenger type vehicles in China due to emission. Besides, diesels filling stations are hard to find inside major cities in China.

Thats interesting. Thanks for the info.

With that being said, do you suppose Al Gore is Chinese? :flipoff2:


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Never been to China. How is the road system, congestion, freedom to use the roads ect ...

Is it worth it for an expat to plan on owning a car there?

Find out about the taxes and stuff before you buy. I can list a few things to check based on my looking into buying a car while living in Japan back in '96-00:

-driver's license--do you need to attend a driving school? How much is it?
-if you buy in China, do you plan to bring the vehicle to the US? Figure $10K to get it DOT legal.
-how much is parking? In many Asian countries, $200+/month isn't considered pricey in urban areas. I think in Taipei, it's tens of thousands of US dollars to buy a space in a garage. In Japan, you cannot buy a car unless you can prove you have a place to park it.
-vehicle licensing taxes--how much?
-vehicle inspection tax--how much? In Japan, the older the car, the more the tax. Older cars can cost $1K-2K/yr for the inspection, which is the major reason why lot of people dump their cars @ 5yrs w/ only 10-15K mi on them and used cars are dirt cheap.
-if you plan to sell in China before you leave, how to sell it? I Japan, you have to sell to the dealer...no such thing as selling private party, at least when I was there in 2000.
-if theft is high (and I bet it is in China), get a good lock like the mul-t-lock used overseas. I recall reading a story and seeing a pic of some Chinese army general who had armed troops surround and guard his (probably stolen) lexus so someone else, in turn, wouldn't steal it.
 
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-vehicle inspection tax--how much? In Japan, the older the car, the more the tax. Older cars can cost $1K-2K/yr for the inspection, which is the major reason why lot of people dump their cars @ 5yrs w/ only 10-15K mi on them and used cars are dirt cheap.

And they still value quality in production. Why ? If I knew I was going to get rid of a car in a few years I wouldn't pay a premium for Toyota quality.
 
The highway roads are good, but it can be a bit tough finding your way around. Side roads and city roads can be nice or can be dirt. Depends on which city you are being relocated to.

They beat the s*** out of their vehicles there, kind of reminded me of Naples...
 
And they still value quality in production. Why ? If I knew I was going to get rid of a car in a few years I wouldn't pay a premium for Toyota quality.


A few reasons why I can think of offhand:
-work ethic: the way they think is "this has to be this way." (like this bolt has to be torqued to this amount). This is no "that's close enough" attitude, which becomes important in manufacturing/design.
-desire for quality/style/feel: Japanese like new stuff, plus they like quality stuff. Not just reliability, but it has to feel good, look good, etc. No jiggly plastic buttons. There's a huge emphasis on this plus ergonomics, etc. I once participated in a test there where they asked foreigners to judge the style, ease of use, feel of the buttons of car audio head units. They are also willing to pay more for quality (or perceived quality, as in German imports) even if they don't plan to keep the vehicle more than 5 yrs. Low priced goods are viewed with suspicion, as low price=low quality.
-competitive environment: the toughest car market for Japanese automakers is probably the domestic Japanese market. Japanese consumers are discriminating shoppers. Ditto for electronics. The domestic market is a test bed for new products. If they're a hit (e.g., cube-shaped cars), they are exported. I think Toyota makes over 80 JDM models.
-killer fines/taxes: if your car drips a single drop of oil, you're hosed! We're talking $$$$ in fines at the inspection, dealer has to do the work (not yourself, not Jiffy lube).
-culteral stigma: there is also a stigma or bias against "used" stuff (hence, they like "new"). For example, if someone dies and you give them money during the funeral, you always give used 10,000yen bills in a special envelope for funerals. If it's a wedding, you always give new 10,000 yen bills. The post office/bank will change your used 10,000 yen bills for brand new bills upon request. Also, the ATM machines will press used bills so they are nice and crisp.
-customer service is highly valued: if you go to a restaurant and had a great meal but the hostess/receptionist doesn't thank you profusely, that will immediately change their opinion of the place. The service we get at Lexus dealers here is the norm just about everywhere there, as the customer is always #1. That's one problem lexus has selling cars in Japan...pamepering their customers doesn't work like here, as they're used to it. Even the el cheapo dealership selling lower-end cars will pamper their customers.

Just remember that in the USA, price is #1, service/quality are secondary. In Japan, quality & service are #1, price is secondary.
 
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I will be in the Shanghai area. I was wondering about the passenger car diesel issue - I have seen lots of diesels, but don't remember seeing too many diesel autos. However, I did remember seeing a later model 4 door pickup with a 2.8 liter diesel. I will learn more onsite.

Most expats lease cars and hire drivers. I am still planning to have a driver, but was considering buying my own car. And, it is possible for US folks to get a drivers liscence and insurance in China, though it has its issues - such as becoming a target for people to jump out in front of your car, etc. And, I will have a house with a garage, so the parking would be taken care of.

Thanks for all the comments!

Dan
 
Dan

I came from Beijing China and live in Vancouver now.
There are a lot of LC funs in China and I'm among of them. Yes. There are 2 joint ventures making LCs in China. LC100(gas only) are made in Changchun, and LC120(gas only) are made in Sichuan. Diesel is popular in remote areas, but not encouraged in big cities. Like Beijing, Diesels are not allowed in passenger type vehicles due to emission. I don't know in Shanghai, but I still have friends in Beijing who have diesel LCs which been registered in other cities. I think you could use the same way in Shanghai.

West part of China (Tibet and Xinjiang) have the largest amount of LC in China. From 60, 70, 80 through 100, or even 105. That's why you could easily find a Toyota dealer in Lhasa, Tibet. LC is everywhere in Tibet! Well, here comes the point. Diesel LCs are not a good preformer in the high attitude (4000+m average) and cold winter (-20--40C) Tibet area. For sure you could turbo the engine, but most of them are just stock LC there. Remember I had a business trip to attend a big event in Lhasa and the top leadership of Tibet had been invited. When the leaders arrived, she came with a Fleet of 12 LC100!!! So, when people think of their 4x4s in China, the top priority is driving to Tibet. Then comes with the powerful V8. I also heard a friend’s friend who got a cranking head with his HZJ105 during his trip to the Himalaya. One more reason, the diesel is really dirty in that area.

Anyway, people still love diesel. I know there is a dealer in Tianjin port (close to Beijing) who sells brand new HZJ71, HZJ75 and HZJ105, but pretty expensive. HZJ105 is almost 700,000RMB (almost 90,000US). And a lot of diehard LC funs in China still want to buy the Japanese made LCs, because they saved the best for themselves. Wo do have some anti-Japanese issues in China, for some people. But I think LC is an exception.

Contact me if you want further information. Hope you got your lovely LC soon.
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The following pics show a fleet of LC60 coming from the base camp of Mt. Everest (Mt. Everest on back); A LC100 in the Himalaya; and a LC80 on the way to the base camp of Mt. Everest.
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