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T Y L E R said:I was showing the chickie a few pics I snapped today, and she immediately commented that the FJC looked like a hummer kinda.
I thought I better let it go ..
TY
Hi Ty - I agree with her in that the yellow looks pretty ''HUMMERish'' & maybe the chopped windshield & side windows a bit as well. Thank goodness however when it comes to reliability & quality - Toyota naturally wins hands down!! - while the Hummer is just an extremely expensive piece of _ _ _ _!!!
the magnetguy said:
err...
The H3 is about the same price as the FJC. I don't think that the FJC is 'extremely expensive,' so how can the H3 be described that way?
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congrats TY were you able to trade even up?
were you able to trade even up?
FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
FJC with a rear locker starts at $22,890 where an H3 with a rear locker starts at $30,875. Even with negotiating the price the H3 will still run you about $29K. $6K is a pretty big difference.
To your point though, if you are looking at a loaded FJC it does cost pretty close to stripped down H3. And because of the amount of standard features on the H3 they would be equipped pretty closely to each other.
Can anybody honestly say they'd prefer the H3? I can't. No matter the price.
I've just soured on all GM and Ford and Chrysler.....maybe they are doing things better than the 70s, but I simply don't care.
I've just soured on all GM and Ford and Chrysler.....maybe they are doing things better than the 70s, but I simply don't care.
Granger said:
In theory the FJC costs significantly less.
In practice, though, the prices are just about dead even; Toyota, much as everyone loves them, hasn't shipped a base model FJC to anywhere in So Cal where I can buy one or I'd have it in the driveway right now. In fact, I haven't seen a single post anywhere by anyone saying they've purchased a base model or even seen a base model for sale at any dealership in North America.
So it's kind of a moot argument regarding the difference in price; the base model FJC does not exist. It's smoke an mirrors.
When I got my H3 (yes, I bought one. I'm much better now.), it was $27,900 including the adventure package and a sunroof (and don't get me started on why sunroofs are better than flat-panel roof-mounted speakers...) plus TTL. I've only seen a couple of FJCs that were close to that price.
I do imagine that at some point FJCs with just the CQ package will start hitting dealerships, and that'll be a great thing. But, in the meantime, arguing over pricing on a mythological vehicle that doesn't exist anywhere but in press releases is kind of silly; any FJC that you can walk up to and touch and that really exists is priced just about dead even with the H3.
Which is better? Well, it all depends on what you're using them for. Just like you wouldn't use a ball peen hammer to unscrew a bolt, you've got to have the right tool for the job. In some cases, I'm sure the FJC is better. In others, the FJC would be the rig of choice.
ll take the 80 any day over big bird
I can honestly say that I had one. Whether I'd prefer it over the FJC or not pretty much depends on what I'd be using the rig for. They're very similar in purpose.Cruisin'Carolina said:
For almost every situation, they're dead even. Of course, if I was going to go rock-crawling ... well, I'd take my VW diesel-powered SpOA Samurai. It can go places that mountain goats wouldn't go on a dare. And, with it's snorkel, it can go into water as deep as I am tall.
It's all about fitness of purpose. The crawl ratio on the H3 (adventure package) was scary good. I could pack the thing full and still be comfortable. The H3 never let me down, and I knew that I could count on it to go where I wanted it to go and bring me back.
I fully expect that the FJC will do the same. I wouldn't be looking to purchase one if I didn't think it would do what I need it to do. Which one would I prefer? I dunno. I'll tell you in six months. After I've had time to drive the FJC around.
Like you, I'm soured on Chrysler. Not so much because of their products (with maintenance, they seem to go fine up to 100K), but because of their warranty program and their sales practices. There was a time when being a Five Star dealer meant something. Not anymore.
GM...well, I'm not soured on GM so much as I don't feel comfortable buying a product that could conceivably be marked down - a la 'employee pricing' - $12K or more. I think that manipulating prices like that is going to end up biting consumers in the ass when it comes time for a trade in. I'm curious to see what the Kelly Blue Book value is placed on, for example, a $43K Chevy Avalanche that was sold for most of the model year for $30K.
Ford I'm not at all soured on. They make the Mustang.
FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
While that may be the case in CA, my local dealership had and sold a MT 4x4 that only had CQ on it, this was part of their first allocation. Also, becuase this dealer did not have a buyer lined up prior to delivery they did not put a single port installed option on the truck. great dealership! These trucks do exist, though not in any great number. Sending mostly fully loaded models in the first run is not something exclusive to Toyota, give it a little time and lesser equipped models will start arriving. Come on, it has only been 2 weeks since the FJC launched.
Supposedly the initial run for launch was comprised of whatever Toyota wanted to build, at least according to CAT. Going forward, specific orders can be placed and lesser equipped models will be built. Almost every person I know that ordered a stripped down FJC is waiting for their order to be filled in late April, early May.
BTW, incredible deal on the H3!!! A new H3 w/ adventure and sunroof for $2,200 below invoice!!! Are they discounting them that much in CA? I looked locally and the best price I could find on the same truck you are talking about was $30K flat.
2006 Hummer H3 SUV 4dr All-wheel Drive Base
Adventure Package 1SB
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual w/Overdrive
Off-Road Adventure Suspension Package
Extra Large Power Sunroof
MSRP: $31,825
Invoice: $30,145
Source: www.carsdirect.com
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all; I'm sure that eventually we'll see lesser-equipped FJCs hitting showroom floors, and it'll be a good thing for those of us that happen to be able to twist a wrench and want our FJC set up the way we want it. My pricing - buying the stuff I want - looks to get me to a price point of $26K OTD ... assuming I can find a base FJC.Granger said:
What I am saying, though, is that until those FJCs get here, it's silly to argue over the difference in pricing between the base model and any other rig. You can't compare apples to apples if you don't have the apples, right?
...and maybe I'm a little bitter because I can't get my rig right now, which is when I want it, without paying for all the extra stuff I don't need.
Dammit.
Toyota had to cycle their assembly line, so they built every combination they could to make sure things run smoothly. Building a base model wouldn't let you know - for example - whether or not you could make a line change and add a tow hitch without it interrupting the flow. I understand why they did it, I'm just wishing that they had included at least some base models along the line. Sigh...Granger said:
Yep, that would be the one I got. Although, when I got it the sticker for a base model was $29,500.Granger said:
You want to see me work some magic? I could have bought a brand new H2 SUT for $43K from a dealership. Of course, by the time that deal had come around, I'd already owned an H2 so - much as I like the look of the truck - I really like having the money I would have spent on gas in my pocket.
FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
Ya...I guess you're right - the H3 is just a cheaper piece of _ _ _ _! Same unreliable quality as it's big brothers - H1 & H2 - just look at ''Consumers Reports'' for nothing but bad ratings basically for the full line!
Interesting observation. Which product have you owned?the magnetguy said:
I've owned a 1993 Hummer, a 2003 H2 and a 2006 H3. They always got me where I needed to go and never ever left me stranded, with the exception of the '93 (which, technically, wasn't a failure of the rig so much as it was a failure of the dealership to actually replace the fluids, rather than just drain the axles, button 'em back up and tell me they'd put the proper type and amount of fluid back in!).
I never had a complaint about any of them, and look forward to when they release the H4 or the H3T.
Are you - as it looks from your post - just relaying information, or do you have any experience with any of them?
I own a Suzuki Samurai. Consumer reports says that it tips over. I've had it at some pretty radical angles and made u-turns on slopes that I wouldn't try doing in any of my other rigs. It's never tipped over on me.
Experience, in my opinion, is far more valuable than just parroting what someone else says.
No offense intended.
T Y L E R said:I was showing the chickie a few pics I snapped today, and she immediately commented that the FJC looked like a hummer kinda.
I thought I better let it go ..
TY
hehe good troll
good pic too, I'll take the one on the right.
The shot really says it all: if you are trying to put down the FJC, you need a substancially upgraded--modded--vehicle. No doubt you can out crawl the FJC with that thing, but the FJC is a ferarri on the road in comparison. If the engine is stock your LC has to be a gutless guzzler.
You have a great off-road machine there, but dual purpose is out the window.
Right now nobody does that better than the FJC.
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T Y may be a lot of things but a troll? Come on. You have some reading to do.
but a troll? Come on. You have some reading to do.
FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:
Nor am I with you, just pointing out to anyone researching a truck to buy in the next couple of months there is a strong chance that lower equiped FJCs will be more plentiful. If you are looking to buy now then I can understand your frustration.
Don't confuse my comments with uninformed hating (not that you were). I have had a deposit on my FJC since Aug and just recently took ownership. As with all my vehicle purchases it is my policy to look at everything I deem comparable. That included the 4 Runner, x Terra and the H3. With the equipment I wanted on my truck all three were at similar price points. So in some manner, I was in the exact same spot you were. But for anyone looking for a new low cost capable 4x4 suv and is willing to wait a month or two the FJC has a clear cost advantage. (wow that was a lot of qualifiers
)I even went so far as to test drive an H3 to a Toyota dealership that had just received a FJC. Pardon the crappy quality, all I had with me was a camera phone.
Without going into the specifics, which could be looked at as bashing, I ended up going with the FJ Cruiser. The experience did give me a better appreciation of the H3 but in the end it just wasn't for me.
uhoh7, posts like yours make me want to mover over to pirate permanently. I always thought this was on off-road oriented forum but now we have quotes like, "the FJC is a Ferrari on the road in comparison. If the engine is stock your LC has to be a gutless guzzler."
Wow, those are some serious selling points for the FJC. My Cruiser is slow, but I can still cruise at 80 on the freeway no problem. Yeah, my engine sucks gas but it has given me zero problems for 16 years and I fully expect another problem free 16. Sure, Toyota makes great vehicles but let's wait and see how the FJC runs in the LONG run. If I wanted a vehicle for its great on road manners, I would get a car. As a matter of fact, if I wanted a dual purpose vehicle that was "like a Ferrari" on the road, the XTerra is sportier than the FJC.
You should go join one of those forums where all people do is add stereos, chrome wheels, tint the windows, and put monitors in every possible location. Over there they would think you were a hardcore off-roader. Over here, you just sound gay.
Is this what I can expect on the FJC side of ih8mud? "My FJC handles better than your old, solid axle, slow LAND Cruiser." I'll just agree with you now so you don't have to bring up gay points like that.
Let's all just hit the trails.
Wow, those are some serious selling points for the FJC. My Cruiser is slow, but I can still cruise at 80 on the freeway no problem. Yeah, my engine sucks gas but it has given me zero problems for 16 years and I fully expect another problem free 16. Sure, Toyota makes great vehicles but let's wait and see how the FJC runs in the LONG run. If I wanted a vehicle for its great on road manners, I would get a car. As a matter of fact, if I wanted a dual purpose vehicle that was "like a Ferrari" on the road, the XTerra is sportier than the FJC.
You should go join one of those forums where all people do is add stereos, chrome wheels, tint the windows, and put monitors in every possible location. Over there they would think you were a hardcore off-roader. Over here, you just sound gay.
Is this what I can expect on the FJC side of ih8mud? "My FJC handles better than your old, solid axle, slow LAND Cruiser." I'll just agree with you now so you don't have to bring up gay points like that.
Let's all just hit the trails.
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I know you did your homework (I read your post and comparison when you made it originally), I'm just growing increasingly frustrated as the days stretch into weeks and the ONLY FJC that I ordered showed up: (a) with all kinds of extra packages on it that I didn't ask for or want, (b) not after the 24th of April as promised, and (c) was sold before I even got to see it - even though I'd put the deposit down months ago.Granger said:Nor am I with you, just pointing out to anyone researching a truck to buy in the next couple of months there is a strong chance that lower equiped FJCs will be more plentiful. If you are looking to buy now then I can understand your frustration.
Don't confuse my comments with uninformed hating (not that you were). I have had a deposit on my FJC since Aug and just recently took ownership. As with all my vehicle purchases it is my policy to look at everything I deem comparable. That included the 4 Runner, x Terra and the H3. With the equipment I wanted on my truck all three were at similar price points. So in some manner, I was in the exact same spot you were. But for anyone looking for a new low cost capable 4x4 suv and is willing to wait a month or two the FJC has a clear cost advantage. (wow that was a lot of qualifiers
I even went so far as to test drive an H3 to a Toyota dealership that had just received a FJC. Pardon the crappy quality, all I had with me was a camera phone.
Without going into the specifics, which could be looked at as bashing, I ended up going with the FJ Cruiser. The experience did give me a better appreciation of the H3 but in the end it just wasn't for me.
The FJC does have it's good points and it's issues ... so does the H3. They're both good at what they try to accomplish. I've just ... well, I've already had an H3. It's time to move on to my next rig.
DBS311 said:
OK cutie pie, so glad you agree. Let's meet for a date.
Look I'm not over in your section posting pictures of my FJC---which I'm still waiting for---and telling you how much your LC looks like a Ford Explorer.
Guess it's OK to pop in here and note all the flaws of the FJC but taboo to knock the 80, which is no closer to the classic LCs than the FJC.
Your big station wagon has some great points and some not so great ones.
My point is that it's stupid to compare a modded 80 to an FJC.
As to the Ferrari thing: I guess having a rig that's nice as a DD and better than anything stock but a rubi off-road is gay. Not a selling point. Not worth mentioning in the FJC forum. Sorry, I'll watch that in future.
