Center Diff?

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hey guys - My buddy's 88 Rover has a selectable locking center diff in the t-case so power is split 50/50 front/rear....he asked "doesn't your rig have that too? ", and i couldn't answer....

with my stock 60, i know i'm open in the front and rear, but are these t-cases "open" as well?

say (while in 4hi or 4lo) one tire lifts and spins, does 100% go to that wheel or is it limited in any way?

ready to learn - TSH
 
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yeah it is a 50/50 split. im pretty sure every xfer case is center locked, though i have seen a push button for center locking but i think that was on a full-time 4wheel drive. if it didnt have a locked center and one wheel came off the ground, you wouldnt move.
 
Your 60 series is part time 4WD. You can't drive it around on the tar with hubs locked and in 4WD otherwise things would break. A centre diff is needed for full-time 4WDs so that things don't break.
It allows the front and rear diffs to operate at different speeds while on-road (while cornering, etc), and then you can lock them together when you go off-road.
On your 60 once you engage 4WD and lock the hubs (when off-road) you have the best setup.
 
The only way to drive your TLC Part Time in 4 wheel drive mode ( not the same as all wheel drive = full time 4 wheel drive ) is in sand, hice, mudd ( low traction surfaces )
 
As a side note, my wife has a 1994 Range Rover that does not have a locking center diff, hers has some sort of LSD. Kind of an odd set up, cant remember exactly how it works, but it seems better to inclimate weather situations then off road low traction areas.
 
Tinker said:
Beg to differ, Rod , but you won't break anything in an FJ in 4WD with the hubs locked on tar - unless the front & rear diffs are locked.

In a straight line, no, you wouldn't. But if you start turning, you will find some bind unless your drivetrain is completely full of slop.

I'd be willing to bet that in a completely stock truck with no weight in/on it that traction would be the weak link (chirping tires). Bigger tires and weight will bugger things.
 
Actualy im gunna have to disagree with you on that. If you leave your 4wd engaged you wont hurt anything because there is still only 1 tire turning on the front and back, therefore you wont have to worry about twisting anything. The only reason you would have to worry is if you have locking differentials!
 
andrew7elk said:
Actualy im gunna have to disagree with you on that. If you leave your 4wd engaged you wont hurt anything because there is still only 1 tire turning on the front and back, therefore you wont have to worry about twisting anything. The only reason you would have to worry is if you have locking differentials!

Dare you to try it!
 
stinkyfj60 said:
Dare you to try it!

I tripple dog dare him to try it.

As said above the x-fer case splits power 50-50 and there is always going to be one powered wheel per axle. On dry pavement your tires will chirp in a sharp curve when in 4wd.

In my 80 (full time 4wd) this is not a problem because of the VC in the center diff.
 
I agree, with both driveshafts spining at the same speed and high traction meaning BOTH wheels front and back are turning because there is not a lot of wheel slip could really cause some good windup. Lockers would only make it happen faster.
 
The different turn speed beween the front and rear diff (while turning the vehicle) would create a really high torque between the front and rear diffs. I currently have my transer case and gearbox disassembled and I am not that impressed with the strength of the mechanism that engages the front driveshaft with the rear (in the transfer case).

I would quite confidently say that by driving a part time landcruiser in 4WD on a high traction surface that you would most likely break something, greatly accelerate wear, or cause damage by poor handling resulting in an accident.

I know that if I leave my landcruiser in 4WD on a good surface (dirt road) for too long then it binds up enough to make it difficult to disengage 4WD (even before I fitted the lockrite in the front). This is why manufacturers fit centre diffs to full time 4WDs (but also because without one it would be quite dangerous to drive).

I have heard of people trying to spin their tyres on the road and end up breaking an axle. So if you get the huge binding torque between the front and rear diffs (especially during a tight turn) then I believe that i is quite possible that something would break (or at least get badly damaged, and weakened), probably in the transfer case.
My landcruiser is 19 years old and had 503000 km's on it, so I definitely wont be trying it.

Andrew7lk: an open diif doesn't mean that you would only have one tyre turning! An open diff doesn't allow one axle to slip. The slip only happens if one tyre loses traction. If both tyres have good traction then it would take a lot of torque/power to make the TYRE slip. The diff only differentiates the speed between the two tyres. Now imagine that you have the traction of TWO tyres (fronts) trying to compete with the traction of the TWO tyres (rears) the amount of torque generated between the two axles. This huge twisting force travels through all of the uni joints, transfer case, etc looking for somewhere to release (hoping for a tyre to slip).
The amount of wear in the drivetrain would make little difference (a quarter of a U-turn, maybe?).

I read where people say that leaving a front air-locker locked can make it difficult to turn on loose surfaces (and dificult to steer on hard surfaces). Very few people would recommend doing this on a tarred road due to the damage it may cause (likely to cause). Now, that is just one tyre competing for traction with the other tyre (over a relatively short distance - the track) through a nice strong diff.
Now add the extra leverage between the front and rear diffs (wheelbase) and competing traction between PAIRS of tyres that is only going through the flimsy (compared to a diff) 4WD mechanism in the transfer case!!!
 
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