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I went through the same agony most have in trying to decide what kind of winch to get. Then there was the whole$$$ issue. Hate over paying for what I want.

In the end I decided to go hydraulic as there seems to be countless stories of burning winches up in a single day, new out of the box. Thought if I was going to invest the time and money I wanted something that I couldn't break. you know,,,, bubba factor.

So I picked up a military surplus 10.5K MM still mounted to the Hummer plate. Plastic still wrapped on winch cable.

$150 bucks on craigslist. Mounted it on a ARB winch bumper [Used from a mudder in Denver] (after some mods). .

I didn't see the point of paying for the MM set up for controls. The only special thing I had to buy was the 12volt coils to the replace the 24v on it. Tracked those down from manufacturer for a 1/4 of what MM wanted. 6 weeks to get, not a problem.

I then designed and built a small relay box that I mounted on the bumper with a lanyard plug. {$15, 30ft lanyard from Pierce towing) Its also wired to a inside switch and to top it off I found a deal on a MM wireless remote that I isolated with some diodes. Got the whole thing mounted and then had some custom hoses made at a local NAPA store. Have less than $450 in the whole thing. Everything worked perfectly the first time. {it helps that I'm a instrumentation and controls designer} [[and system builder]]

Haven't gotten the chance/need to use it yet but its something I will never break. Might rip the whole bumper off but winch will be be fine.:eek:

Pictures isn't the best since its from a phone, but I do luv my ride.
Also just added new chip to computer and 5.7 absolutely screams now. But that's another story!!:grinpimp:
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thanks......

thanks for posting this, i am also strongly leaning toward a mile maker, the h1 12,000 pound. i am researching if my oem power steering pump can power it. do you know if the OEM pw pump can put out 15 PSI of hydraulic pressure? my pw pump is connected to a 12ht engine.

did you connect yours to the pw steering pump? i am also looking for a cheap deal..... thanks:cheers:
 
allright! clever DIY creative work!


I take it the OEM pump has enough oomph? Did you check specs?

(added: ah, post beaten by a minute... great minds think alike, evidently... :))
 
uhhh actually

If you look in his sig, he has a 5.7l V8.

Doubt he is running the stock pump.

Weeeeelll there's a story,
PO has made it a morphadite. All original toyota stuff mounted on custom brackets to 5.7. [crate motor] Including the stock PS pump that is rated for 1500 psi. Would have got a yard motor myself....:confused:

Long long long term plan is to replace all with front off yard motor.

But everything including AC works fine. Did replace 55 amp alt with 160 amp.

That will come after leather volvo seats and new carpet. :grinpimp:
 
5.7L engines don't have an OEM pump?

Guess I should have been more clear...

It would be unlikely for a 5.7L Chevy engine to be run with a Toyota OEM power steering pump.

However, it looks like this is exactly the case. :o
 
I have the same winch (ex-humvee 10500lb) and I'm running it with a stock 3B PS pump (with a remote valve pack). IIRC, it doesn't provide the max pressure that the winch motor can take (1500 psi) but provides about 11-1200psi or so, which gives me a tad over 8000lb pull on a dynamometer, before the winch stalls. I like it, the set up gives me an overbuilt winch, with a very acceptable single line pull, and a bit better safety factor. I have thought about an AGR PS pump, or a PTO hydraulic pump, but then I'd have to carry my stanley hyrdaulic chainsaw and a ton of hose and.......... LOL!
It works fine as it is, and it was a cheap, very robust addition.
 
don't know about the 60 pump but on the 80, when I looked into this and I talked to the MM guys about putting in their 12K hydro winch, they were pretty clear that the 80 pump would only give the equivalent of about 8K out of the winch. That was a deal breaker for me.
 
Guess I should have been more clear...

It would be unlikely for a 5.7L Chevy engine to be run with a Toyota OEM power steering pump.

However, it looks like this is exactly the case. :o


I understood what you meant. That was a rhetorical question. Couldn't get wrong either way if it was indeed OEM, Chevy or Toy... :)
 
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don't know about the 60 pump but on the 80, when I looked into this and I talked to the MM guys about putting in their 12K hydro winch, they were pretty clear that the 80 pump would only give the equivalent of about 8K out of the winch. That was a deal breaker for me.

That totally bums me out, was under the apparent misapprehension that my toyo pump put out the 1500 psi I wanted.
Will have to rethink about this and possibly upgrade my pump.
:confused:
Something else to add to the grey skies and rain of the great grey northwest. Always a mood lifter.....if only the us hockey team had won.......:doh:

If I go to this trouble, then will also look at a high flow as well as hi pressure after market.........at the best price I can find of course. That's half the fun for me. Beating the cost with creative research and thinking.
:bang:
A quest, a quest I say!! need emoticon of waving a sword in the air, (just have to use your imagination)
:banana:
 
bummer, that is a deal breaker for me also, my vehicle is too heavy to put anything less than 12000 pounds:bang:

don't know about the 60 pump but on the 80, when I looked into this and I talked to the MM guys about putting in their 12K hydro winch, they were pretty clear that the 80 pump would only give the equivalent of about 8K out of the winch. That was a deal breaker for me.
 
well, just upgrade the pump if need be, should not be that bad to do.
 
And in the mean time carry a snatchblock and get a 50 foot reach of 16,000lbs out of a dead reliable, understressed winch...
 
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And in the mean time carry a snatchblock and get a 50 foot reach of 16,000lbs out of a dead reliable, understressed winch...

Have snatch, will double.:grinpimp:

And straps and chain, still think pump upgrade from a yard will be in works this summer.

Other projects are the front caliper upgrade and sliders.......:steer:
 
Have you confirmed the OEM 80 PS Pump is only 1,200lbs?
thanks for posting this, i am also strongly leaning toward a mile maker, the h1 12,000 pound. i am researching if my oem power steering pump can power it. do you know if the OEM pw pump can put out 15 PSI of hydraulic pressure? my pw pump is connected to a 12ht engine.

did you connect yours to the pw steering pump? i am also looking for a cheap deal..... thanks:cheers:
 
MM claims that all PS Pumps put out around 1,500psi and 4gpm on average.

I read somewhere on MUD that the FSM says the pump is 1,350psi Minimum which most likely means it is in the 1,500psi range.

I have not confirmed this but MM was VERY confident about the 1,500psi and 4gpm rating of the power steering pump in just about all vehicles.

I know for a fact my MM 12,000 pulls like a crawling freight train and never stops no matter what is thrown at it. I one truck with a front MM 12K Hydro and another cruiser with dual MM 12k Hydros ... front and rear ... with a 4x4 Labs Bumper.

I love the Hydro Winches and would not even consider an electric for any truck I build.



Where are you guys getting your PSI output numbers from?
 
I completely agree, which is why I just upgraded my stock pump to a Saginaw unit. By doing that I was hoping that I can get the full pulling potential out of the winch, so I guess we'll see.

My hydro setup will be the Saginaw, MM Hydro winch and a hydro assist ram on the front axle. Wondering if that will work out or not:hhmm:
 
One question to you guys with the 10k or 12k MM Hydro winches. Can you do some measurements for me? I need the dimensions of the winch to see if it will fit in my bumper. I would like the length height and width of the winch, with or without the solenoid pack. Thanks!
:cheers:
 

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