Be careful, you might get some dirt or even a small scratch on your pretty little SUV
It looks so nice and clean.
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Be careful, you might get some dirt or even a small scratch on your pretty little SUV
It looks so nice and clean.
Jeeeezzzzz...have a new truck for 2600 miles - wash it once - post my first pictures (for tire shots as requested) - and assaulted! 
It's not like I tried posting in "wheeling damage thread" I'll go find some mud - no wait, I'm in Arizona.
It's not like I tried posting in "wheeling damage thread" I'll go find some mud - no wait, I'm in Arizona.
Hi Mtnbike,
Sorry about the delay, had to look up some files, the Coopers must have lasted me no more than 14,000 kilometers or 8699 miles, mind you, driving on a Caribbean Island’s “High Way” is easily comparable to driving on an off road in a developed country!
BTW, AZ997S, nice tires..
MD
14000km!! Not much at all. I know a few guys with the Cooper LTZs over here and they last much longer. How bad are your roads, lol? Maybe the wheel alignment is off?
Ahhh.....pics of home 
Your rig looks good!
What side of town are you on? Looks like you are in the foothills area...
Your rig looks good!What side of town are you on? Looks like you are in the foothills area...
Reply from Cooper Tire & Rubber Co.
So no Coopers for the Cruisers,.... YET!
Reply from COOPER
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We do not make a replacement tire for the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser. We
manufacture the same size in two different tires as you have seen below.
The tires we manufacture in the size you need are not the same speed
rating that your vehicle requires. Your vehicle requires a tire that is
285/60R18 and rated for 114 (load index) and "V" speed rated (149 mph).
Our tires below are rated 120(which would be fine because it carries a
higher load than your original tires) and "S" speed rated (112 mph,
which is below the minimum requirement for your vehicle). Therefore,
the Cooper Discoverer H/T Plus and Cooper Zeon LTZ tires do not meet the
minimum requirements as outlined by your vehicle manufacturer.
Consumer Quality Systems
Cooper Tire & Rubber Co.
800-854-6288 M-F 10AM-7PM EST
=======================================
Subject: Cooper Tires - Web Contact
Message: Sir/Mme
On your website, in tire selector, the followings are indicated;
Select Tire by Vehicle
There are currently no listings for this vehicle.
Vehicle: 2008 TOYOTA TRUCKS Land Cruiser Standard.
In Select Tire by Size, ror 285/60/18 I get;
Name Size / Service Descr. UTQG Load Range Sidewall
Approved Rim Width Meas. Rim Width Section Width Overall Diam.
Tread Width Max Load Tread Depth
Discoverer H/T Plus 285/60R18116 T 460 A B STD BLK
8 - 10 8.5 11.73 31.33 9.66 2756 12
Zeon LTZ 285/60R18120 S 520 A B XL BLK 8 - 10
8.5 11.43 31.48 9.46 3086 14
Zeon LTZ 285/60R18120 S 520 A B XL BLK 8 - 10
8.5 11.43 31.48 9.46 3086 14
Please explain, are the Discoverer H/T Plus or
Zeon LTZ not suitable for the 2008 Land Cruiser, and what do you
suggest?
I drive mainly on road (warm & wet, Caribbean climate) with the
occasional off road
Regards.
So no Coopers for the Cruisers,.... YET!
Reply from COOPER
=============
We do not make a replacement tire for the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser. We
manufacture the same size in two different tires as you have seen below.
The tires we manufacture in the size you need are not the same speed
rating that your vehicle requires. Your vehicle requires a tire that is
285/60R18 and rated for 114 (load index) and "V" speed rated (149 mph).
Our tires below are rated 120(which would be fine because it carries a
higher load than your original tires) and "S" speed rated (112 mph,
which is below the minimum requirement for your vehicle). Therefore,
the Cooper Discoverer H/T Plus and Cooper Zeon LTZ tires do not meet the
minimum requirements as outlined by your vehicle manufacturer.
Consumer Quality Systems
Cooper Tire & Rubber Co.
800-854-6288 M-F 10AM-7PM EST
=======================================
Subject: Cooper Tires - Web Contact
Message: Sir/Mme
On your website, in tire selector, the followings are indicated;
Select Tire by Vehicle
There are currently no listings for this vehicle.
Vehicle: 2008 TOYOTA TRUCKS Land Cruiser Standard.
In Select Tire by Size, ror 285/60/18 I get;
Name Size / Service Descr. UTQG Load Range Sidewall
Approved Rim Width Meas. Rim Width Section Width Overall Diam.
Tread Width Max Load Tread Depth
Discoverer H/T Plus 285/60R18116 T 460 A B STD BLK
8 - 10 8.5 11.73 31.33 9.66 2756 12
Zeon LTZ 285/60R18120 S 520 A B XL BLK 8 - 10
8.5 11.43 31.48 9.46 3086 14
Zeon LTZ 285/60R18120 S 520 A B XL BLK 8 - 10
8.5 11.43 31.48 9.46 3086 14
Please explain, are the Discoverer H/T Plus or
Zeon LTZ not suitable for the 2008 Land Cruiser, and what do you
suggest?
I drive mainly on road (warm & wet, Caribbean climate) with the
occasional off road
Regards.
Um...where to begin....
1) Replacement tires do not need to be the same size to function properly. They only need to be within the width tolerances of the selected rim and not rub any vital parts when turning lock-to-lock or when articulating.
2) Replacement tires do not need to be the same load rating. Both tires are P-metric tires. Just make sure the load rating is suitable for the GVWR divided by 4. Your stock tires have a load rating of 114. Cooper Zeon LTZ's (in the specified size) are 120. That's considered an upgrade
3) Replacement tires do not need to be the same speed rating. Select a tire that's speed code is well within the speeds you plan on traveling. You don't need a ZR rated tire on a LandCruiser. The Cooper Zeon LTZ has a speed rating of S. Do you plan to travel at 112mph? Maybe you do...
4) Going from a Dueler H/T to a cooper LTZ is a highway upgrade IMO. As you said, you are not planning to travel off road a lot, so this probably doesn't concern you...but this is definately not a dedicated A/T tire.
Cooper is telling you all of this because they cannot recommend a tire that may be unsafe. Yes, going from an V rated tire (149mph) to an S rated tire (112mph) is a safety concern if your highways allow you to travel at say 130mph (which would be pedal to the metal on the LC200 anyways).
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Um...where to begin....
1) Replacement tires do not need to be the same size to function properly. They only need to be within the width tolerances of the selected rim and not rub any vital parts when turning lock-to-lock or when articulating.
2) Replacement tires do not need to be the same load rating. Both tires are P-metric tires. Just make sure the load rating is suitable for the GVWR divided by 4. Your stock tires have a load rating of 114. Cooper Zeon LTZ's (in the specified size) are 120. That's considered an upgrade
3) Replacement tires do not need to be the same speed rating. Select a tire that's speed code is well within the speeds you plan on traveling. You don't need a ZR rated tire on a LandCruiser. The Cooper Zeon LTZ has a speed rating of S. Do you plan to travel at 112mph? Maybe you do...
4) Going from a Dueler H/T to a cooper LTZ is a highway upgrade IMO. As you said, you are not planning to travel off road a lot, so this probably doesn't concern you...but this is definately not a dedicated A/T tire.
Cooper is telling you all of this because they cannot recommend a tire that may be unsafe. Yes, going from an V rated tire (149mph) to an S rated tire (112mph) is a safety concern if your highways allow you to travel at say 130mph (which would be pedal to the metal on the LC200 anyways).
JBHorne,
Very well explained, many thanks to you.
I guess the Nitto TG 285/65/18 would be the best choie.
MD
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Are you in the Pima canyon estates area? I have friend looking to purchase in that division. Apparently there offering some very good deals. Not surprised. How is the real estate doing in that area? I decided to go with the nittos 285/65/18, again thanks for posting the pictures. Any scratches yet? I marred my clear coat by rubbing the lawn mower handle along the door.
That is supposed happen off road, not parked in the driveway. Don't worry, I should be able to buff that out.
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I marred my clear coat by rubbing the lawn mower handle along the door.
Eh, be happy that's nothing! Look what Mitch did a while ago!!!
This picture involves a 5.7L engine, reverse gear, a garage wall, an open truck door, and Mitch behind the wheel.
(haha, sorry Mitch...it's been long enough that you can officially laugh about it now even though your wallet still hurts!
)
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What was he thinking?
If he is married, there is no way he can complain when his wife back into something or parks to close to another vehicle and return gets a door ding. 
Has anyone checked into General A/T tires? Here is something I found. I wonder if they are as good as BFG A/T?
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One simply can't help but notice a striking resemblance between the new General Grabber AT2 and the old venerable . . . well; we'll just call it the "Brand X A/T." At first, we thought it was an exact copycat. However, after a recent trip to General Tire's Uvalde, Texas, proving grounds, where we had one-on-one time with both engineers and R&D officials who developed the Grabber AT2, we were convinced that though the two share aesthetic similarities, the architecture and rubber compound differences-combined with lower retail pricing and a better warranty-tip the scales slightly in favor of the Grabber AT2.
True, "Brand X" is a name Americans have come know and trust, but looking past that, we realized that General Tire, which is actually owned by Continental, is the primary shareholder of the European tire market. This doesn't mean squat until you understand that the average European consumer is influenced more by performance than price. Maybe that's why the finest European sports cars cost so much, yet lack simple conveniences like cupholders. It's safe to say that General Tire developed the new Grabber AT2 with the enthusiast in mind. True, "Brand X" does spend a ton on marketing its off-pavement prowess, but how much of the price of your tires do you want going to marketing campaigns?
In the end, we think General's low profile in the American tire market may actually result in a better product, based on the concept that fewer dollars per tire are spent on advertisements and, dare we say, supporting expensive Baja racing efforts. Instead, General is funneling its profits into R&D for better products. We're not saying Baja is a bad place to spend R&D money-we're just saying there are a lot of other places with fewer variables to consider.
Take, for instance, the mile-long shale-rock dirt track at the Uvalde proving grounds. During our visit, we drove a Toyota pickup sporting the Grabber AT2s on this track. As we completed the test, we couldn't help but wonder if anywhere in Baja-or the world, for that matter-you would find a road with such extreme conditions. The track is covered with very sharp stones that could almost be mistaken for Indian arrowheads. As it turns out, General regularly uses the track to evaluate puncture resistance, and testing in a controlled environment like this allows for more repeatable results.
The Grabber AT2 features a very quiet interlocking tread pattern that works well in everything except sticky mud. They are available in sizes ranging from 26 to 35 inches in overall diameter and for wheel diameters of 14 to 20 inches. The 265/70R17s that we tested on an '05 Nissan Pathfinder impressed us, requiring only 2 ounces on the worst one to balance.
If he is married, there is no way he can complain when his wife back into something or parks to close to another vehicle and return gets a door ding. Has anyone checked into General A/T tires? Here is something I found. I wonder if they are as good as BFG A/T?
Quote »
One simply can't help but notice a striking resemblance between the new General Grabber AT2 and the old venerable . . . well; we'll just call it the "Brand X A/T." At first, we thought it was an exact copycat. However, after a recent trip to General Tire's Uvalde, Texas, proving grounds, where we had one-on-one time with both engineers and R&D officials who developed the Grabber AT2, we were convinced that though the two share aesthetic similarities, the architecture and rubber compound differences-combined with lower retail pricing and a better warranty-tip the scales slightly in favor of the Grabber AT2.
True, "Brand X" is a name Americans have come know and trust, but looking past that, we realized that General Tire, which is actually owned by Continental, is the primary shareholder of the European tire market. This doesn't mean squat until you understand that the average European consumer is influenced more by performance than price. Maybe that's why the finest European sports cars cost so much, yet lack simple conveniences like cupholders. It's safe to say that General Tire developed the new Grabber AT2 with the enthusiast in mind. True, "Brand X" does spend a ton on marketing its off-pavement prowess, but how much of the price of your tires do you want going to marketing campaigns?
In the end, we think General's low profile in the American tire market may actually result in a better product, based on the concept that fewer dollars per tire are spent on advertisements and, dare we say, supporting expensive Baja racing efforts. Instead, General is funneling its profits into R&D for better products. We're not saying Baja is a bad place to spend R&D money-we're just saying there are a lot of other places with fewer variables to consider.
Take, for instance, the mile-long shale-rock dirt track at the Uvalde proving grounds. During our visit, we drove a Toyota pickup sporting the Grabber AT2s on this track. As we completed the test, we couldn't help but wonder if anywhere in Baja-or the world, for that matter-you would find a road with such extreme conditions. The track is covered with very sharp stones that could almost be mistaken for Indian arrowheads. As it turns out, General regularly uses the track to evaluate puncture resistance, and testing in a controlled environment like this allows for more repeatable results.
The Grabber AT2 features a very quiet interlocking tread pattern that works well in everything except sticky mud. They are available in sizes ranging from 26 to 35 inches in overall diameter and for wheel diameters of 14 to 20 inches. The 265/70R17s that we tested on an '05 Nissan Pathfinder impressed us, requiring only 2 ounces on the worst one to balance.
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- #33
For the entire review:
http://www.4x4review.com/Reviews/Pr...neralGrabberAllTerrain/tabid/440/Default.aspx
General Grabber All-Terrain Tire Review
By Alfred Budschitz
For many of us, tires were, and still are the first performance upgrade. But lets face it... not all upgrades really "up-grade" your truck. There are lots of examples out there, where a poor tire-choice actually "down- grades" your rig. If you've been one of the poor soles that have made a poor choice, you could be stuck with your not-so upgrading purchase for as much as 30,000 miles or whenever your pocket book can support another purchase.
This brings us to our next tire test, the GENERAL TIRE Grabber A/T's. These tires have been around for quite a while now and as the A/T in their name indicates, they are designed to work well in all terrain situations. At least this is what the name implies.
The tires we tested were 235/75R15. This means, the tire is 235mm wide, the wall-height is 75% of its width and they are fitted on 15" wheels. This translates loosely into an 29 X 9.5 LT tire. Additionally, the LT stands for Light Truck use.
The first thing that strikes you when looking at the tire is the aggressiveness tread pattern, especially that of an "All Terrain." This raised our expectations for its "off-roadability". Nevertheless, the interior lugs in are small enough to allow for a good amount of rubber to be contacting the ground. Typically, these are good for street type driving conditions like braking, steering and acceleration. Follow along as we test the General Grabber A/T's in a variety of situations in South America.
ON ROAD:
Our first set of tires were Goodyear Wrangler A/T's and compared to these, the Grabbers are definitely a step forward on-road. Extremely tight turns can be taken faster (or equally fast with more margin of error). This is especially noticeable if you go up narrow, snaking mountain roads or take narrow turns in the city. The Grabbers didn't tend to squeak or rollover as fast as the Wranglers did. One thing we did notice is that the Grabber's stopped nearly all of the understeer our truck had with the Wranglers. Also braking behavior improved, leaving us with an increased feeling of safety. Wet roads were no problem at all, due to the rather pronounced exit channels within the tread that can dissipate more water at a quicker rate.
OFF ROAD:
Sand: We aired the Grabbers down to 8 PSI and they performed much better than we anticipated. We were able to go places the Wranglers could not take us before and while climbing up dunes in low revs, the Grabbers did really bite in the sand, as they bulge very nicely at 8 PSI, thus providing us with excellent flotation. They did not "wheel-spin" as fast as the Wranglers did, thus they don't dig into the sand as much, leaving you stranded.
Mud: OK, here we came to the limits of this tire pretty fast. Although rather aggressive, the lugs could not self clean themselves as we have seen from other aggressive M/Ts. However, we feel that mud-performance was way within our expectations for an A/T tire. Maybe with a stronger engine and higher revs they would sling a bit more hash, but don't expect too much here. Sorry, but you can't have it all...
Loose dirt: If aired down to about 12 PSI, the tire bulges nicely, thus being able to work his shoulder lugs into the ground. Overall, the Grabber A/Ts give you excellent feedback on what's going on below your floor panel, and if they break free, they do it in a way that feels very controllable. As a matter of fact, you can literally "play" with them, working them between 90 and 100% of their traction (its actually rather funny to see your tires spinning at about 3mph while your truck is moving at 2.5mph). Again, we were extremely impressed with the grip they developed in loose dirt. As we were testing at an altitude of about 10,000+ feet in the Andes, they developed so much grip that at one point they managed to stall the engine in 1LOW...(engines loose a lot of power in this altitude, especially when running oversized tires...)
Snow: We only made a short trip into the snow, but again we were pretty impressed. On compressed snow we managed to play around, where other trucks had to use chains. This is due to the fact that the Grabbers are siped and have an M&S rating. Knowing that there are two trains of thought for snow driving (one being dig deep and the other being flotation) we feel that the light weight and decent power to weight ration allowed us to "float" on the crust while the more aggressive tread gave us increased grip.
Rocks: Although the sidewalls of the Grabbers only have a 2 ply rating (unlike the BFG A/Ts that have a 3 ply rating), we didn't manage to chip, cut or break anything on the tread nor on the sidewall (although we tried hard by parking the truck on some very sharp rocks). What worries us a little bit is the fact that older Grabbers show some problems on the sidewall around the white letters. However, this seems to be more of a cosmetic than a structural problem. Nevertheless, if you do a lot of hard-core rock crawling, you might look at a "heavier" tire. The jury is still out on the "ply ratings" that manufacturers give for tire carcasses. We've seen 2-ply tires out perform 3-ply tires on some of the nastiest and sharpest rocks.
Overall, we were extremely impressed with the performance both on-road and off- road of the Grabbers. After 6,000 miles of testing, the wear compared to the unused spare-tire suggests a life-expectancy of way beyond 40,000 miles. They improved both street and off-road performance over the Wrangler ATs, they are very dependable and about 20-30% cheaper than BF Goodrich's A/Ts. So, if
For us, this tire is one of the hottest buys you can get if spending quite some time off-road, without sacrificing you street comfort. Two thumbs up!!!!
http://www.4x4review.com/Reviews/Pr...neralGrabberAllTerrain/tabid/440/Default.aspx
General Grabber All-Terrain Tire Review
By Alfred Budschitz
For many of us, tires were, and still are the first performance upgrade. But lets face it... not all upgrades really "up-grade" your truck. There are lots of examples out there, where a poor tire-choice actually "down- grades" your rig. If you've been one of the poor soles that have made a poor choice, you could be stuck with your not-so upgrading purchase for as much as 30,000 miles or whenever your pocket book can support another purchase.
This brings us to our next tire test, the GENERAL TIRE Grabber A/T's. These tires have been around for quite a while now and as the A/T in their name indicates, they are designed to work well in all terrain situations. At least this is what the name implies.
The tires we tested were 235/75R15. This means, the tire is 235mm wide, the wall-height is 75% of its width and they are fitted on 15" wheels. This translates loosely into an 29 X 9.5 LT tire. Additionally, the LT stands for Light Truck use.
The first thing that strikes you when looking at the tire is the aggressiveness tread pattern, especially that of an "All Terrain." This raised our expectations for its "off-roadability". Nevertheless, the interior lugs in are small enough to allow for a good amount of rubber to be contacting the ground. Typically, these are good for street type driving conditions like braking, steering and acceleration. Follow along as we test the General Grabber A/T's in a variety of situations in South America.
ON ROAD:
Our first set of tires were Goodyear Wrangler A/T's and compared to these, the Grabbers are definitely a step forward on-road. Extremely tight turns can be taken faster (or equally fast with more margin of error). This is especially noticeable if you go up narrow, snaking mountain roads or take narrow turns in the city. The Grabbers didn't tend to squeak or rollover as fast as the Wranglers did. One thing we did notice is that the Grabber's stopped nearly all of the understeer our truck had with the Wranglers. Also braking behavior improved, leaving us with an increased feeling of safety. Wet roads were no problem at all, due to the rather pronounced exit channels within the tread that can dissipate more water at a quicker rate.
OFF ROAD:
Sand: We aired the Grabbers down to 8 PSI and they performed much better than we anticipated. We were able to go places the Wranglers could not take us before and while climbing up dunes in low revs, the Grabbers did really bite in the sand, as they bulge very nicely at 8 PSI, thus providing us with excellent flotation. They did not "wheel-spin" as fast as the Wranglers did, thus they don't dig into the sand as much, leaving you stranded.
Mud: OK, here we came to the limits of this tire pretty fast. Although rather aggressive, the lugs could not self clean themselves as we have seen from other aggressive M/Ts. However, we feel that mud-performance was way within our expectations for an A/T tire. Maybe with a stronger engine and higher revs they would sling a bit more hash, but don't expect too much here. Sorry, but you can't have it all...
Loose dirt: If aired down to about 12 PSI, the tire bulges nicely, thus being able to work his shoulder lugs into the ground. Overall, the Grabber A/Ts give you excellent feedback on what's going on below your floor panel, and if they break free, they do it in a way that feels very controllable. As a matter of fact, you can literally "play" with them, working them between 90 and 100% of their traction (its actually rather funny to see your tires spinning at about 3mph while your truck is moving at 2.5mph). Again, we were extremely impressed with the grip they developed in loose dirt. As we were testing at an altitude of about 10,000+ feet in the Andes, they developed so much grip that at one point they managed to stall the engine in 1LOW...(engines loose a lot of power in this altitude, especially when running oversized tires...)
Snow: We only made a short trip into the snow, but again we were pretty impressed. On compressed snow we managed to play around, where other trucks had to use chains. This is due to the fact that the Grabbers are siped and have an M&S rating. Knowing that there are two trains of thought for snow driving (one being dig deep and the other being flotation) we feel that the light weight and decent power to weight ration allowed us to "float" on the crust while the more aggressive tread gave us increased grip.
Rocks: Although the sidewalls of the Grabbers only have a 2 ply rating (unlike the BFG A/Ts that have a 3 ply rating), we didn't manage to chip, cut or break anything on the tread nor on the sidewall (although we tried hard by parking the truck on some very sharp rocks). What worries us a little bit is the fact that older Grabbers show some problems on the sidewall around the white letters. However, this seems to be more of a cosmetic than a structural problem. Nevertheless, if you do a lot of hard-core rock crawling, you might look at a "heavier" tire. The jury is still out on the "ply ratings" that manufacturers give for tire carcasses. We've seen 2-ply tires out perform 3-ply tires on some of the nastiest and sharpest rocks.
Overall, we were extremely impressed with the performance both on-road and off- road of the Grabbers. After 6,000 miles of testing, the wear compared to the unused spare-tire suggests a life-expectancy of way beyond 40,000 miles. They improved both street and off-road performance over the Wrangler ATs, they are very dependable and about 20-30% cheaper than BF Goodrich's A/Ts. So, if
For us, this tire is one of the hottest buys you can get if spending quite some time off-road, without sacrificing you street comfort. Two thumbs up!!!!
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The Bridgestone dueller A/T Revo's seem pretty nice and have gotten great reviews. What do you all think?
Hankook DynaPro ATM RF10
Good day!
I need to replace my Original tires (Dunlop) with -preferably- slightly taller and wider ones and was looking at the deferent possibilities and reviews; the Hankook DynaPro ATM RF10 285/65-18 truly stands out -surprisingly- even against the Nitto TG despite the slight deference in the price; Tire Products - Discount Tire Direct
BTW; my Land Cruiser -4.7L, V8- speedometer’s maximum speed is 180 KPH or 111.84 MPH contrary to what is mentioned by the Toyota website; 124.27 MPH or 200 KPH!, the weight remains; 7275.25 lbs. or 3300 Kg..
Any thought on this?
Good day!
I need to replace my Original tires (Dunlop) with -preferably- slightly taller and wider ones and was looking at the deferent possibilities and reviews; the Hankook DynaPro ATM RF10 285/65-18 truly stands out -surprisingly- even against the Nitto TG despite the slight deference in the price; Tire Products - Discount Tire Direct
BTW; my Land Cruiser -4.7L, V8- speedometer’s maximum speed is 180 KPH or 111.84 MPH contrary to what is mentioned by the Toyota website; 124.27 MPH or 200 KPH!, the weight remains; 7275.25 lbs. or 3300 Kg..
Any thought on this?
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Check out the new Bridgestone Revo 2 Mudrak is my local hardcore landcruiser shop and they rate them very high. They may not look aggressive but many people that do Medium offroad duty love them and say there a go any where kind of tire. They did also mention that there one of the best tires in the snow for an all terrain tire. There next all around great tire is Nitto Terra Grappler but those they say are sold to many farmers (wineries). Mudrak seems to like those allot too. fyi
I recently fitted 285/65/18 BFG's AT/KO on my cruiser and I am very happy with them. They are one size up from stock but I have had no rub or other issues. They are definately a little firmer of a ride than the stock highway tires but I enjoy a more truck like ride anyway. I don't think you would be disappointed with them.
