Best all-around diesel for fj60?

[kenji4life]

First try finding a Diesel Touraeg.. Then try finding the motor. GL to you.

On the altitude:

The basic rule of thumb is that ANY naturally aspirated vehicle, gasser or diesel, will have a higher percentage of power drop than a turbocharged vehicle making the same amount of power at sea level. In other words, yes, 130 HP in a NA diesel or NA Gasser and 130 HP in a Turbo Diesel or Turbo Gasser at sea level, however the turbos will retain much more of the original power at altitude than the NA engines, because of the forced induction. I don't know the equation off the top of my head, but it has to do with: NA = atmospheric and FI = atmospheric + turbine pressure

so basically to put that in english: 130hp NA car may be similar to 130HP FI car, at sea level, however as you go up in altitude, the FI car has less loss of that power. So the NA car may be closer to 90HP at a high altitude while the Turbocar is still making well over 100hp.

 

[Mike S]

Southbound:

I think the ultimate conversion for a 60 series is a 1HD-T with an H55F fitted, stock 3.73 gearing, OME suspension, with a full float rear, and 33" tires on 16"x8" wheels. Fit an extended range tank with incab switch. A killer rig.

This combo will add about $20,000 to the cost of a decent 60. I expect that you have tons of torque (much more important than HP) for running in the mountains, pulling trailers, etc. I bet the mileage would come in at about 22 MPH average.

M

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Southbound:

I think the ultimate conversion for a 60 series is a 1HD-T with an H55F fitted, stock 3.73 gearing, OME suspension, with a full float rear, and 33" tires on 16"x8" wheels. Fit an extended range tank with incab switch. A killer rig.

This combo will add about $20,000 to the cost of a decent 60. I expect that you have tons of torque (much more important than HP) for running in the mountains, pulling trailers, etc. I bet the mileage would come in at about 22 MPH average.

M

X2

Exactly the combo in the last rig I did and all I can say is it is the perfect set up.

He opted to ditch the undercarriage tire mount for a long range tank, should be able to go over a 1000K on a tank now.

 

[BulletHead]

so how much would u pay for a 1HD-FT or a 1HD-T engine?

 

[Radd Cruisers]

so how much would u pay for a 1HD-FT or a 1HD-T engine?

At th e retail level, 10K?


As mentioned by Peter, the 8 litre makes crazy HP and torque, but he only down fall to all these big blocks is weight and size.


I always come back to the guys I know who commercial fish, they would run a Yanmar over a B cummins any day due to size and weight.

Its been covered before, you cannot disscount the power to weight ratio, hands down a toy diesel is bolt up, superior in many different ways.


Could argue chain verses belt all day long, but the cost of the belt and the couple hours it takes to install are out weight IMO.

As with adjustable valves with screw and lock nut verses shims and SST tool, well how many folks adjust thier valves? I will tell you how many, out of all my customers with hight milage not one had ever had it done and they still run strong although not efficient.

Cummins is a great engine and I will one day own a dodge diesel, but will always admire the engineering and high quality of toy diesels.

Said it before and will say it again, in the marine division, the B diesel cummins goes head to head with the yanmar diesel. Only difference, one is considerably heavier and bigger plus has a couple litres more and makes the same HP.

 

[Mike S]

so how much would u pay for a 1HD-FT or a 1HD-T engine?

They are pricey. I nearly bought the one that Sheldon built and Radcrusiers wrote up the install on. It had been gone through pretty well, had already been adapted to the H55F and included a split case. It was ready to go. Price was $10K USD.

I think that Marv Spectre is planning on bringing in some HDJ80 front clips, which is the way to go. I beileve the price will be about $7500.

The other stuff - FF rear, tank, OME suspension, wheels and tires - add another $5K.

Install = $5K +, depending on goodies. Talked to Mudrak about doing the install with Jeff Bryant's help, and that was doable. But no way was California going to let me register this thing, and parts would continue to be an issue.

My 60 was pretty clean, well set up, and ran good, so I sold it for a good price and bought an 80. Still want a 1HD-T, though.

M

 

[Mike S]

I always come back to the guys I know who commercial fish, they would run a Yanmar over a B cummins any day due to size and weight..

Cummins is a good motor, IMO. But when you start discussing marine engines - there a lot of small to medium displacement turbodeisels that can crank out power efficiently. Hino makes some of the Toyota engines, I beleive, and also some Yanmars. Another example is the 4 cylinder Volvo TD that puts out 240 HP.

M

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Cummins is a good motor, IMO. But when you start discussing marine engines - there a lot of small to medium displacement turbodeisels that can crank out power efficiently. Hino makes some of the Toyota engines, I beleive, and also some Yanmars. Another example is the 4 cylinder Volvo TD that puts out 240 HP.

M

They expensive but they are the engine of choice if you have the cash. Kinda like the toyota diesel, great engine but price tag is attchced.

I live on the west coast and have worked on commercial dive boats and the engine of choice is the Yanmar, everthing else is optional due to expense.

Hino was contracted by toyota bo build the oringinal 3B engines, they must learned somthing along the way.

Volvo is a great engine and really desired among boat owners but what outdoes that engine is the Perkins and others with less HP and long engine life.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

They are pricey. I nearly bought the one that Sheldon built and Radcrusiers wrote up the install on. It had been gone through pretty well, had already been adapted to the H55F and included a split case. It was ready to go. Price was $10K USD.

I think that Marv Spectre is planning on bringing in some HDJ80 front clips, which is the way to go. I beileve the price will be about $7500.

The other stuff - FF rear, tank, OME suspension, wheels and tires - add another $5K.

Install = $5K +, depending on goodies. Talked to Mudrak about doing the install with Jeff Bryant's help, and that was doable. But no way was California going to let me register this thing, and parts would continue to be an issue.

My 60 was pretty clean, well set up, and ran good, so I sold it for a good price and bought an 80. Still want a 1HD-T, though.

M

Respect is a thing I understand and advertising for folks who do not pay to advertise on this board is not really respectfull coming from a moderator?

Could I be missing somthing, maybe you are not a Mod and I made a mistake, please enlighten and if I made a mistake please forgive.

 

[roscoFJ73]

I think that Marv Spectre is planning on bringing in some HDJ80 front clips, which is the way to go. I beileve the price will be about $7500.


M

Wouldnt get them in oz for that price

 

[Mike S]

Not threatening your business...

Respect is a thing I understand and advertising for folks who do not pay to advertise on this board is not really respectfull coming from a moderator?

Could I be missing somthing, maybe you are not a Mod and I made a mistake, please enlighten and if I made a mistake please forgive.

Radd

What I posted about SOR is for informational purposes. I have no interest - financial or otherwise in SOR.

If we limited mention of products tothose from companies advertising on this board, there would be much less informational value for the participants. I could probably find a few good examples of non-advertisers mentioned on this board, starting with Toyota of America.

Yes, I am a mod for the 60 series section. Woody asked for help, and I volunteered to do it. If you really object to this post, e-mail Woody and ask him to slap my hand/face/backside.

Mike

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Radd

What I posted about SOR is for informational purposes. I have no interest - financial or otherwise in SOR.

If we limited mention of products tothose from companies advertising on this board, there would be much less informational value for the participants. I could probably find a few good examples of non-advertisers mentioned on this board, starting with Toyota of America.

Yes, I am a mod for the 60 series section. Woody asked for help, and I volunteered to do it. If you really object to this post, e-mail Woody and ask him to slap my hand/face/backside.

Mike

Heres the deal Mike, what I see is Sheldon, Greg myself and several other vendors sharing information to help folks make decisions on installs and trouble shooting.

I do not see SOR on this board offering up information or help on problems with diesels or conversions.

My wife always tells me I give away all the information on how a install went, well I do not care if someone follows to a tee how I did a install, in fact I am flattered.

I figure the guys who pay to advertise and spend time posting up info would appreciate a plug from a moderator on this board and not some other well known company who does not need it.

Most of us have other jobs and by no means make a living off this side line, its starts as a hobby and for most a love of the cruiser. And at some point we all re access our lives and understand how much time goes into it for what little we make.

I think I speak for a couple vendors in this post.

 

[70sguy]

Well said Rob.

 

[roscoFJ73]

Well said Rob.

X2 If you end up with just vendor sourcing diesel engines prices,will not stay low

 

[Mike S]

Heres the deal Mike, what I see is Sheldon, Greg myself and several other vendors sharing information to help folks make decisions on installs and trouble shooting....I figure the guys who pay to advertise and spend time posting up info would appreciate a plug from a moderator on this board and not some other well known company who does not need it...I think I speak for a couple vendors in this post.

Radd

I agree. I know Sheldon and Greg through phone conversations, etc. Solid guys and I have plugged them quite a bit. I don't know you, or much about your business. But I think that you have successfully used this BBS to get your message out there, which is fine with me.

I also have a (sort of) related business, and ocassionally sell to members on this BBS, but so do a couple of my competitors, who have no presence on this board. I'm OK with that - probably a good thing in the long run.

I apologize if I ruffled your feathers, but mentioning the 'other cruiser parts company' seemed pretty harmless to me. I don't think that they compete directly with you, do they? As for Sheldon and Greg, they are great guys, with a service that is obviously useful to the members here, and I would much rather buy from them than whatshisname.

BTW, nice job on the 1HD-T install on the 60.

Mike

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Thanks Mike, I appreciate the work you do on this forum.

Rob

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

Rob has experience with both the 1HZ and the 1HDT. It seems to me that cost wise, (and if you talk with the Proffit guys) the Cummins 4bt is the way to go. The engines are half the price, and if you trick them out a little bit the power is better. Certainly there are parts EVERYWHERE.

What do you guys think?


TB

 

[Technikev]

I think the Cummins are awesome engines, with a wonderfully flat power curve, and loads of torque right off idle.

They also have a powerband about this wide (holding finger and thumb really close together). Not that that is a huge issue, as the Dodge guys seem to have little problem with the 6 bangers.

-kevin

 

[70sguy]

Rob has experience with both the 1HZ and the 1HDT. It seems to me that cost wise, (and if you talk with the Proffit guys) the Cummins 4bt is the way to go. The engines are half the price, and if you trick them out a little bit the power is better. Certainly there are parts EVERYWHERE.

What do you guys think?


TB

Well why don't you give us some first hand info seeing as you are in the US and have a 1HZ in your 60? Any trouble getting belts, filters etc? Needed any parts yet?

 

[brownbear]

Ya if you go cummins tho you stray away from driving a Toyota. I think alot of us drive a Toyota for a certain reason. I like Toyota dependabilty.

Not saying the 4bt doesn't have dependabilty, but I know the Toyota is solid in many ways.