Best all-around diesel for fj60?

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I'm sorry, I know there are a zillion threads on diesel conversions for fj60's but it's information overload. Can I please get some advice on what the best conversion would be for an '87 fj60 regardless of price? I know it's always a trade off between gas mileage, power, and noise, but I figure if I take price out of the equation for now I can start at the top and work my way down as reality dictates. What's the ultimate conversion? What are the relevant horsepower, mileage stats?

Thanks!
 
1hd-t might be in some peoples eyes the best (including mine), but when budget is a constraint I feel the 12HT would be a fantastic second choice.

Rob
 
If you want to start with the sexiest, most expensive and work your way down, here would be my personal picks:

1HD-FT
1HD-T
1HD
1HZ w/ Turbo kit
12HT
13BT
3B

All have been done in a US spec 60 as far as I know except the 1HD-FT...never heard of anyone do that swap yet. All have pros & cons including price...there is ton's of info here on all options if you search. Just my totally biased .02:)
 
Very cool, thanks! I love the Diesel Sexometer. I'll start researching from the top.
 
The 12HT is a great choice but it runs out of puff sooner than a 1HD T.

I guess we would all generally agree that the more expensive the better:D.
 
if cost IS a factor, don't overlook the 1HZ. It has "enough" in stock form to pull a 60 and with an aftermarket turbo can make the same, if not more power than a stock 1HD-T. The 12H-T is great, but it is a dated engine now so parts will be getting harder and harder to find. the 1HZ/1HD series engines are still being produced.
 
Question here, is a 130 hp diesel engine going to have any easier time with these Colorado mountain passes than the 130 hp 2F or is 130 hp the same regardless? I literally can't go faster than 35-40mph up those hills.
 
Here are the vital stats for the engines listed in the Diesel Sexiometer. Can anyone add approximate prices to this list? Maybe mileage stats in a 60 if anyone has done the conversion?

First number is horsepower, second is torque:


1HD-FT 168@3600 380@2500
1HD-T 154@3600 357@1800
1HD ??
1HZ w/ Turbo kit 129@4000 285@2200 (NO turbo)
12HT 134@3500 315@1800
13BT 122@3400 285@2000
3B 85@3500 206@2200
 
Southbound said:
Question here, is a 130 hp diesel engine going to have any easier time with these Colorado mountain passes than the 130 hp 2F or is 130 hp the same regardless? I literally can't go faster than 35-40mph up those hills.


ahhh good call, i didn't realize your elevation. with 3.70's, 33" MTs, my 1HZ drives fine. it's slow but i can cruise 75mph+ without trouble. The most elevation it has seen is 4000-5000ft. You may need a turbo, a NA diesel has to work pretty hard to suck in air as it is, let alone when the air gets thin.

EDIT: on a mileage note i estimate about 20mpg city, and about 24mpg hwy (@about 65-70mph, less if you go faster obviously). thats a 1HZ/H55F (no turbo, yet...) in a 86 HJ60 with the gear and tire specs above. I turned my fuel down a touch as well.
 
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How about a Duramax? It'll fit fine and has gobbs of power. They are turning out to be relatively reliable if you run them right.

If you're sticking to Toyota. I really think the 12HT is cool. Inline pump, timing gears, traditional machining and bearings, lack of electrics. Its a powerhouse waiting to happen. For the price of an HDT you could probaly make a lot more, reliable power from one. I wish someone would go ahead and do it so I wasn't just talking out of my arse. I wonder what Behemoth60's HJ61 was making for power when he was running 17 lbs of boost.
 
Southbound said:
Question here, is a 130 hp diesel engine going to have any easier time with these Colorado mountain passes than the 130 hp 2F or is 130 hp the same regardless? I literally can't go faster than 35-40mph up those hills.

I think the turbo is the great elevation equalizer. Any NA motor is going to suck at 10,000 ft
 
VTCruiser said:
ahhh good call, i didn't realize your elevation. with 3.70's, 33" MTs, my 1HZ drives fine. it's slow but i can cruise 75mph+ without trouble. The most elevation it has seen is 4000-5000ft. You may need a turbo, a NA diesel has to work pretty hard to suck in air as it is, let alone when the air gets thin.

ha.. I don't even think of 4k-5k as elevation anymore. To me 0-4k is about the same. 5k up is a whole nother story.

May need a turbo.. LOL. Pretty much a requirement if you want to do 40 up the passes (depending on which ones and how steep they are) here. I think a turbo at this altitude pretty much returns your power to sea level.

You certainly want power up here from 7500+ Like lowenbrau says any thing NA sucks. I have a 3b that sucks. I've driven multiple vw diesels up here n/a an turbo'd and a host of american iron diesels. I've never driven an hd or hz at altitude so I can't say but I don't think your going to go faster than a gasser at atitude with any Toyota diesel. If you want to do 80 up the passes put in a cummins or duramax and turn it up.

My .02
 
Southbound said:
Question here, is a 130 hp diesel engine going to have any easier time with these Colorado mountain passes than the 130 hp 2F or is 130 hp the same regardless? I literally can't go faster than 35-40mph up those hills.

I've got a dead HJ60 in my driveway with a rusty body on it. The motor is low milage but I suspect the previous owner was pulling a heavy trailer with it on short runs without the engine temp getting warm. I drove it a year before the engine lost compression in a cylinder, now its occuping much needed space outside my shop. I was going to buy a FJ60 with a good body on it from the States, rebuild my mill and drop it in along with my 5 speed into the clean FJ60. (I'm not sure that I'm going to do this now, I have so many projects on the go including the restoration of my FJ40, I'll probably wind up parting the HJ60 out or selling it whole to someone who wants to go through with this).

Anyway, to help answer your question, I had never driven a US spec FJ60 with a 4 speed until I went looking for a replacement last weekend. I gotta tell you that after I had driven my 2H diesel (and obviously worn out at that) mated to the 5 speed the 2F powered cruisers with the 4 speed felt horribly gutless, even those with aftermarket carbs and headers. One that I drove, and almost bought, had perfect compression across all 6 cylinders.

My 2H never made much in terms of horsepower, but it was way more torquey, and made my HJ drive so much better than the FJ60's I drove. I'm sure some of this was due to the 5 speed, but the diesel motor makes a huge difference.

It didn't scream up steep hills but it would hold its own, on reasonably long hill climbs I could maintain 55-60 mph, though a turbo would have been nice at times. Actually the 2H diesel revs higher than the 2F, and it would cruise down level freeway at 75 mph all day without strain.

You will see mileage gains, though not as dramatic as what some may claim, I was getting 22-24 mpg on the freeway. I have read some to claim closer to 30mpg, but I would say that is wishful thinking.

I never minded the engine noise, the Toyota diesels don't sound that loud inside the truck.

The cons of conversion are:

1) The added weight of the diesel, you will probably have to beef up your front springs.

2) Mileage gains will be somewhat lost when you factor in the cost of diesel, its now more expensive than gasoline.

3) You may find that you have to wait for parts since your "Any Town USA" Toyota dealer most likely won't have parts.

These sites might be useful to you:

http://4wheelauto.com/

http://www.gscruiserparts.com/engines.html
 
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Thanks Rusty. Funny the 2H didn't make it on to the diesel wishlist. According to the website I posted earlier it has only 96 hp stock. Is that right? And you're saying the hj60's you've driven have more punch than the 130 hp fj60's? Wow. Then a 2H with a turbo and I think around 130 hp should feel a lot more powerful than the 2F...
 
Southbound said:
Thanks Rusty. Funny the 2H didn't make it on to the diesel wishlist. According to the website I posted earlier it has only 96 hp stock. Is that right? And you're saying the hj60's you've driven have more punch than the 130 hp fj60's? Wow. Then a 2H with a turbo and I think around 130 hp should feel a lot more powerful than the 2F...
LOL, I think the 2H was not mentioned for a couple of obvious reasons, one being they seem to be very few and far between over there, secondly we are always told they are unreliable because they don't have piston skirt cooling and no match for the mighty 3B [ROFL]. Different story in Oz though, LOL. My motor has over 340,000ks and has no problems with the T3 turbo , it makes more hp than a 12HT or 1hz at 10 lb boost. A 2H is far cheaper than a 12Ht this shows the regard that these motors are held in Oz. The 12Ht shares quite a few common engine parts with the 2H. But has the direct injection and skirt cooling.The 12HT will cost more here than a 1Hz but in return it will last longer and be far cheaper with maintainence costs. The conversion should be either based on a budget or else based on what is the total performance that I eventually want from the truck, hang the expense.If the latter is the case stick to the direct injected 12HT or IHDT as these motors with an upgraded turbo and intercooler are bloody outstanding.:D
 
How about an intercooled 12HT? Simple and cheap .
 

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