Axle Pitfalls (1 Viewer)

[GLTHFJ60]

Still got the Detroit?


You up for modding another set of hubs to run 6 studs?


It's all your fault.

It's always someone's fault.

Watching intently.

 

['74 UA FJ]

Jesse will get it right, even if he screws up he will make it right ASAP. He messed up on my last flange order but it was all cleared up in a day or so.

I still worry about what the shock loading from the Detroits is doing to the axles in my 60. You might want to think hard about that one. Aside from the bang when they unload and the odd behavior on the street I am unimpressed with how they work on loose side hill situations.

How does it work on loose side hill situations? I would think it would stay locked, no?

I wouldn't worry about the axles in a 14 bolt if I were Drew. I've never seen a 14 bolt axle broken and I've seen some under 6000# buggies with 600+ horsepower jumping rocks. Three pinion bearings make them the s***.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

I am totally NOT worried about breaking the thing. Everything about it is rigid. Massive center, 3pinion support bearings with one under the head to prevent deflection, huge rigid steel tubes 1/2 inch thick, 1.5 inch inner axles, it is a beefy unit. It was way over built for the 3/4 ton applications it was used in. In the dual axle config it was used up to 2 ton rated chassis.

That's why the idea of a detroit is semi attractive. I would not use a detroit in a Cruiser axle on big tires because of the shock loading and I have seen a bunch of broken axles in this set up.

 

['74 UA FJ]

Is the shock loading any different in a detroit versus a lock-rite or aussie? I, and many others, have had success using the lunchbox lockers in cruiser axles with large tires for years...

 

[rusty_tlc]

How does it work on loose side hill situations? I would think it would stay locked, no?

I wouldn't worry about the axles in a 14 bolt if I were Drew. I've never seen a 14 bolt axle broken and I've seen some under 6000# buggies with 600+ horsepower jumping rocks. Three pinion bearings make them the s***.

On loose side hill with the axle locked once the tires lose traction the rear end slides sideways. With an open diff one the un-powered wheel "anchors" the axle. I've experiemced this my self and watch a number of trucks with auto lockers do the same thing.

I am totally NOT worried about breaking the thing. Everything about it is rigid. Massive center, 3pinion support bearings with one under the head to prevent deflection, huge rigid steel tubes 1/2 inch thick, 1.5 inch inner axles, it is a beefy unit. It was way over built for the 3/4 ton applications it was used in. In the dual axle config it was used up to 2 ton rated chassis.

That's why the idea of a detroit is semi attractive. I would not use a detroit in a Cruiser axle on big tires because of the shock loading and I have seen a bunch of broken axles in this set up.

Of course you are right, I keep thinking in terms of Land Cruiser axles. The 14 bolt can take the abuse.

 

['74 UA FJ]

On loose side hill with the axle locked once the tires lose traction the rear end slides sideways. With an open diff one the un-powered wheel "anchors" the axle. I've experiemced this my self and watch a number of trucks with auto lockers do the same thing.

The alternative when unlocked is that one tire spins and you don't go anywhere...

 

[rusty_tlc]

The alternative when unlocked is that one tire spins and you don't go anywhere...

I think I'd rather not go anywhere than be sliding sideways downhill.

 

['74 UA FJ]

I think I'd rather not go anywhere than be sliding sideways downhill.

That's when you turn the front uphill and stand on it.

 

[bustanutley]

Is the shock loading any different in a detroit versus a lock-rite or aussie? I, and many others, have had success using the lunchbox lockers in cruiser axles with large tires for years...

Detriots can lock very violently, very different from the lunchbox lockers. Lunchbox lockers wear out, and rely on the strength of stock carrier. Breaking an axle with a Detriot may break the Detroit as well. I would rather have a detriot in the front of my truck...

 

[Sputnik40]

That's when you turn the front uphill and stand on it.

Having been to Jacksonville Alabama to wheel Choccoloco - this makes absolute sense. You folks have some insanely beautiful buggies wheeling up there - and horsepower definitely rules!

 

[Sputnik40]

Detriots can lock very violently, very different from the lunchbox lockers. Lunchbox lockers wear out, and rely on the strength of stock carrier. Breaking an axle with a Detriot may break the Detroit as well. I would rather have a detriot in the front of my truck...

Well that's a krappy thing to learn - after I looked far and wide to find a 14 bolt with a Detroit.

Then again, I'm a glutton for punishment - want to see for myself, having run lunchbox lockers for 13 years now (No Slip and Lock Right) I really wanted to experiment with the Detroit - and don't have the funds for an ARB (which is what I have up front).

 

[bustanutley]

I don't really think you have much to worry about with the 14bolt, everything is so big. I know that detriot breakage from shock loading axle breakage is very common with the toyota parts. I think the parts that break in the detriot are replaceable without getting a whole new unit, but I don't recall.

I have worn out a lockright and bent a carrier because of a lockright, and the one in the front of my truck now can be a bit intermittent which means it may be about worn out, a detriot will be taking its place if I stay with they toyota parts.

 

[mookie]

Sputnik, my two main riding buds have cucv 14bolts with detroits and they beat the living dookie out of them with no problems, i don't think you've got anything to worry about

 

[LC_Hamma]

Sputnik, my two main riding buds have cucv 14bolts with detroits and they beat the living dookie out of them with no problems, i don't think you've got anything to worry about

The only time you'll notice any banging will be on the street where you have better traction than the trail. It's more of a binding sound & it's not voilent like it kicks your rig to one side. Even then, it was a rarity when I experienced that. I had a CUCV M1008 & daily drove it many years. My current 40 has one in the rear & I've never heard it. I think being aired down helps to prevent that.

 

[Sputnik40]

Ok. That doesn't sound as ominous... Can't wait to hammer on it

On the Lock Rights - when I used to run smaller tires the kick to one side on accelleration and kick to the other when letting off the gas was very pronounced. As I moved up in tire size - and drove on the streets less and less - I barely noticed it for the last few years.

Critical to maintain the thrust washers when running a Lock Right hard. I always carried spares - and swapped out as needed. Even with a couple of chipped teeth - they always worked flawlessly if the washers were properly maintained.

Just roasted my first Lock Right, carrier and center pin in 09 - and that is after surviving several busted axles and pinions - so I think it's been one of most durable affordable parts I've ever had...and worth dealing with the PITA springs and quirky on-street handling/racheting/banging.

 

[rusty_tlc]

Detriots can lock very violently, very different from the lunchbox lockers. Lunchbox lockers wear out, and rely on the strength of stock carrier. Breaking an axle with a Detriot may break the Detroit as well. I would rather have a detriot in the front of my truck...

They unlock just as violently, if not worse. This happens a lot if the rig is a daily driver. That is what worries me about them, the constant shock loading. My fear is eventually it will stress the axles enough that they fail, probably at the worst possible time.

 

['74 UA FJ]

Having been to Jacksonville Alabama to wheel Choccoloco - this makes absolute sense. You folks have some insanely beautiful buggies wheeling up there - and horsepower definitely rules!

You guys should come back soon. There should be a good ride Memorial Day weekend. I now have mine sprung over, am putting hydro assist on this week, and will have 38.5 sx's on by Memorial Day.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

I like the cheapness of the 14 bolt and the overall strength.

How expensive to built up a 14 bolt front axle?

Cs 1000.00
outers with axle kit 1100.00
Brake rotors and calipers?
Spindles?
Bearings?

Then you need a lath or mill to adapt everything, so shop time?


Rob

 

[EWheeler]

I like the cheapness of the 14 bolt and the overall strength.

How expensive to built up a 14 bolt front axle?

Cs 1000.00
outers with axle kit 1100.00
Brake rotors and calipers?
Spindles?
Bearings?

Then you need a lath or mill to adapt everything, so shop time?


Rob

Here is an example. Around $4000.

PowerBlock, The Magazine

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Here is an example. Around $4000.

PowerBlock, The Magazine

Thanks, I have been looking around for that article.


4K not bad, I seem to remember many years ago on Pirates Camo having something like 8K into a dana 60

Rob