Attempting the next best engine swap for 80s IMO (5 Viewers)

[COS80]

This conversation clearly illustrates my problem with US emissions laws. I've got absolutely no problem with helpful environmental legislation, but this is only good for keeping older rigs off the road. In the case of motor swaps, what would be logical is to require emissions testing at the end and if you can prove it's as clean or cleaner than original and gets equal or better mileage, job done. Especially in a case like this where we're literally doubling OEM mpgs.

This though, if they're following the California rules like I think I understand it, they're going to want to see your particulate filter and your exhaust fluid tank. I can imagine them wanting the GM airbox in place as well, even if you get them to buy off on all the changed intake routing to be equivalent. If you can cram all that crap in there and get them to buy off on it, maybe you could delete it all after the fact, but I don't know if you've got the space under the hood without some massive cowl-induction style bubble or something. Even then, the way they have it rigged, the smog referee has no real incentive to help you out. I don't know... maybe break out the lip gloss and the knee pads.

The best part of this is, by the EPA's own data, every single V8 engine I considered swapping in polluted less than the 1FZ it would have replaced. That's why I spent triple my budget on a supercharged 80 with an EPA sticker - so I can keep polluting until I'm 80.

Their business is driving old cars into the crusher and us into electric busses.

 

[Marvelicious]

Your profile says NW Oregon. If you're inside the Portland Metro area you can swap any modern diesel into a pre-94 80 series and if running well, it will pass OBD1 smog testing for the gasoline engine with flying colors. I have personally done it several times.

If you have a 95-97, you best register outside the metro area. It will not pass and Oregon does not like to change fuel type to diesel.

Oh, I'm not concerned for myself at all. I'm out in the boonies.

 

[Marvelicious]

The best part of this is, by the EPA's own data, every single V8 engine I considered swapping in polluted less than the 1FZ it would have replaced. That's why I spent triple my budget on a supercharged 80 with an EPA sticker - so I can keep polluting until I'm 80.

Their business is driving old cars into the crusher and us into electric busses.

Honestly, I don't think they give a about electric busses, or we'd have more of them. This is about lobbyists and politicians making rules to help the car companies. They want to sell new rigs, that's it. Follow the money.

 

[COS80]

Honestly, I don't think they give a about electric busses, or we'd have more of them. This is about lobbyists and politicians making rules to help the car companies. They want to sell new rigs, that's it. Follow the money.

We'd have more of them if anyone could build one that ran for more than six weeks.

 

[Dragos80]

There is yet another way to do a swap and get it registered. But it costs a lot more.

Get a RAM diesel from 98-20xx. Get it registered in CA since it is newer than the TLC and has no emission system built in.
After you get it registered as a diesel swap the actual engine you originally intended for it (the GM on we are talking about here) without the emission system crap. Nobody will check it.

I understand that once a year or two the DMV requires a fuel test to make sure you did not register the car as a diesel and then converted back to gas to bypass the smog test.
Again not a smog or emission test, but a simple fuel sample to make sure you got diesel fuel in the tank.

Not sure if it is still implemented or not. I read about it a few years ago when I really wanted a BMW diesel in my 80.

 

[Ditcherman]

Come on guys don’t you think every trick has be tried?
In a nut shell NO.

I just can’t get over that someone looks at y’all’s cars. Too bad, hope my state remains free.

 

[Ditcherman]

This conversation clearly illustrates my problem with US emissions laws. I've got absolutely no problem with helpful environmental legislation,

Question for the group; which pollutes less, a machine that burns 225-250 gallons of diesel and 15 gallons of def a day or a machine that burns 125 gallons of diesel doing the exact same work?
Same machine, pre delete and post delete.

they're going to want to see your particulate filter and your exhaust fluid tank.

There are ‘tuning’ companies out there that advertise leaving all that intact when they do a delete. Of course, this is OEM application, swapping is up to you to get that equipment in. Visibly you can’t tell anything’s been done. According to my friend.

 

[Dragos80]

Question for the group; which pollutes less, a machine that burns 225-250 gallons of diesel and 15 gallons of def a day or a machine that burns 125 gallons of diesel doing the exact same work?
Same machine, pre delete and post delete.

There are ‘tuning’ companies out there that advertise leaving all that intact when they do a delete. Of course, this is OEM application, swapping is up to you to get that equipment in. Visibly you can’t tell anything’s been done. According to my friend.

For the less fortunate ones, how and where can we place the DEF tank, SCR,
I suppose there is room where the spare tire was originally mounted, but that's really crappy.
I believe I will "move to Florida".

 

[Marvelicious]

Question for the group; which pollutes less, a machine that burns 225-250 gallons of diesel and 15 gallons of def a day or a machine that burns 125 gallons of diesel doing the exact same work?
Same machine, pre delete and post delete.

Exactly my point and my frustration. They're trading lowering NOx emissions for increased fuel consumption. As a bonus, guess where the urea in the DEF comes from? If you're curious, google the Haber-Bosch process, but the Cliff's notes are, it consumes natural gas (or whichever hydrocarbon you decide is convenient) and gives off CO2... Environment saved!