any one here owned a gas 80 ?

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My wife will be sold on manueverability in the parking lot. She's only used the Safari in the 5 foward gears. She hasn't been faced with turning around in a tight spot and backing up. It is the one thing I hate about it. Good thing it drives over curbs nicely. :D

Its looking more and more that a 60 diesel with an auto box will be the way to go. She commutes about 100 kms/day and needs something that is decent on fuel. Will the 60 do 28 MPG in a diesel auto? If not maybe I could convince her to drive stick. I'd sure feel a lot better with her on the freeway in a LC than that tin can of a Tercel. She won't have any problem turning in hubs and using a TC. Speed is not much of an issue a she is not exactly a speed demon.
 
Granite Grinder said:
But the 60 wins hands down for it's good looks. ;) What turned me off the 80 series is the size. I wheel with 80 series trucks all the time and with the narrow trails we seem to pick the 80's look like behemoths. Having gone from a 40 series to a 60 I thought the 60 was gigantic. Now I find I zip around, following 40's with no problem. Then I watch the 80 series doing 3 point turns, folding in the mirrors, using the body armour. On trails like Moab or Rubicon (other than old sluice) 80's shine. When your slaloming through quad trails I'll take the 60. I'd also take a simple diesel motor over a gasser anytime, for instance a 3B. When N Korea drops an EMP bomb, I'll still be driving around. :D My .02.
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you have a point on the EMP but otherwise...

60 series is 70.9 inches wide and 184 inches long
80 series is 72 inches wide and 188.2 inches long

is one inch in width really that much?

problem is the 80s have too much value in their truck to protect so they are cautious. pin striping is an issue on trails here for sure and my truck has the scars but there is little or no difference in width between a 60 and 80 and IIRC the 80 has a better turning radius.
 
Granite Grinder said:
But the 60 wins hands down for it's good looks. ;) What turned me off the 80 series is the size. I wheel with 80 series trucks all the time and with the narrow trails we seem to pick the 80's look like behemoths.
GG
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have you parked the 60 right beside the 80? I thought they were very similar in size.

I notice the backseat is a little better for childrens seats in the 80. As the seat is forward of the wheel wells and goes full width. Where the 60 has the wheel wells right there. Yeah I have 3 kidlets so I know this :)

I prefer the looks of the 60 myself. The 80 seems too modern in appearance. Even my 91 people have a hard time believing it is 17 years old. They just look newer.

The 91/92 dash I prefer of the newer one. Kinda like the 60 dash vs the 62(which I don't like at all on a 60 series).

Semlin what changed driveline wise with the 93's up? I have the CDL. But no viscous coupling.....is that right?
 
brownbear said:
have you parked the 60 right beside the 80? I thought they were very similar in size.

I notice the backseat is a little better for childrens seats in the 80. As the seat is forward of the wheel wells and goes full width. Where the 60 has the wheel wells right there. Yeah I have 3 kidlets so I know this :)

I prefer the looks of the 60 myself. The 80 seems too modern in appearance. Even my 91 people have a hard time believing it is 17 years old. They just look newer.

The 91/92 dash I prefer of the newer one. Kinda like the 60 dash vs the 62(which I don't like at all on a 60 series).

Semlin what changed driveline wise with the 93's up? I have the CDL. But no viscous coupling.....is that right?
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drivetrain-wise apart from the motor you have an A440F tranny which is nearly the same as in the 62 and a different t-case which has no viscous coupling and can more easily be switched to part time 4wd. your birfs do not have ABS ring and birf splines changed in late 94 I think. the front spindles got needle bearings in the brass bushing in about 1996 which helps on wear. 91-92 driveshafts look different but function the same. 93-94 has the a442F "bus" tranny with switchable overdrive and north american trucks only got the a343F 4runner tranny in 95 which is lighter and smoother. f/r lockers were a north american option from 93 onwards. Oh and full floater rear axles with disc brakes came in in north america in 1993 except for the rare "poverty pack" model which also retained drums.
 
canucksafari said:
My wife will be sold on manueverability in the parking lot. She's only used the Safari in the 5 foward gears. She hasn't been faced with turning around in a tight spot and backing up. It is the one thing I hate about it. Good thing it drives over curbs nicely. :D

Its looking more and more that a 60 diesel with an auto box will be the way to go. She commutes about 100 kms/day and needs something that is decent on fuel. Will the 60 do 28 MPG in a diesel auto? If not maybe I could convince her to drive stick. I'd sure feel a lot better with her on the freeway in a LC than that tin can of a Tercel. She won't have any problem turning in hubs and using a TC. Speed is not much of an issue a she is not exactly a speed demon.
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I don't think you'll see 28mpg in a diesel auto. My 2H, H55f gets around 25 and my 2H, A440 gets about 21-22 mpg.
 
Semlin you are right in saying that you don't need the conversion kit to get out of the bush after a front end breakage, however you do need to have a CDL switch, and if you break anything in the front other than a front shaft you will also need to remove the blanks from the hubs.
I just unlock my hubs and go home to deal with the problem at my lesure.
I find the looks of the 80 series more appealing than the 60 and think that the 80 in a moderatly modded form to be the superior unit if you are willing to put a nick or two in it. (my wife ain't anymore, thinks it's hers).
Obviously the 80 is more of a luxobarge, but with front and rear coils it's hard to beat.
Dissable the EGR system and re set the timing (after air care) and the power of the 80 is better than fine.
 
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