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That is 100% a political party line concocted to pander to fossil fuel producers and refiners to keep them giving big donations to select candidates who will act on their behalf in policy and politics. In fact we aren’t getting the 4cyl hybrid because of politics, we’re getting it bc of policy. Allow yourself or others on your behalf to conflate the two at your own peril. Since the 70s there’s been serious cross-party discussion in politics and policy about the effects of fossil fuel use driven by a range of legitimate concerns. Some automakers probably haven’t be on board with the change but now are bc of economic reasons. Others have been or are on board now bc of economics, laws, morality, corporate mission and values, favorable policies, optics, advancements in technology that will improve their products and their market share, and bc some humans (even those in the corporate world) pay attention to their conscience.

A turbo 4cyl hybrid Toyota is a direct product of the previously mentioned factors. You can continue to delude yourself while arguing that the whole world is being manipulated en masse by a bunch of snowflakes who want to make you drive a weeniemobile and cut off your balls, or you can stop for a minute and ask yourself if maybe there’s something to the fact that a lot of the world is uniting around these evolving policies and technologies and if it’s possible that that’s for good reason (to name only a couple: American energy independence, reduction of carbon emissions so our kids and grandkids and so on can go out like we do and enjoy driving through Moab in April without it being 140 degrees) even if change that isn’t in our control is sometimes (understandably) unsettling or even infuriating.
The USA is a net exporter of oil, but we have very little of the metals needed for battery production…which happen to be in Africa and China. A move to EV is not providing energy independence at all.

As has been repeatedly documented earlier in this thread, personal use cars and trucks make up approximately 8% of global manmade CO2. Factoring in the CO2 impact of making the vehicle, an EV has the potential to reduce lifetime CO2 versus an ICE vehicle by 50% depending on the source of recharging. So if every vehicle on earth were immediately replaced with an EV, we would reduce manmade CO2 emissions by approximately 3%, leaving the other 97% of emissions. But a transition to EV will take decades and may never occur elsewhere in the world where electricity generation is limited and the cost of EV is too high. So the 3% reduction in CO2 is a complete pipe dream. The actual reduction in global CO2 we will see from EV’s is a rounding error in human emissions.

The reason cars and trucks are only 8% of emissions is that they spend most of their life sitting in driveways, and are only used a fraction of the time. Versus heating and AC for buildings, powering steel mills, etc, or busses that run all day. Focusing on electric cars is an absurd place to focus if the intent is emission reduction. But emissions reduction isn’t the intent, it is virtue signaling. Politicians buy votes by pandering to their base about green energy, without EVER projecting what the net reduction in CO2 will be, whether it is cost effective, or whether something else (such as nuclear energy) would be a more effective way to reduce emissions.

China has adopted EV for national security reasons…they have no oil and don’t want to be dependent on imports. But they are recharging their EV’s from coal, which they have a lot of. There is little emission reduction in China from EV’s at all.
 
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The USA is a net exporter of oil, but we have very little of the metals needed for battery production…which happen to be in Africa and China. A move to EV is not providing energy independence at all.

As has been repeatedly documented earlier in this thread, personal use cars and trucks make up approximately 8% of global manmade CO2. Factoring in the CO2 impact of making the vehicle, an EV has the potential to reduce lifetime CO2 versus an ICE vehicle by 50% depending on the source of recharging. So if every vehicle on earth were immediately replaced with an EV, we would reduce manmade CO2 emissions by approximately 3%, leaving the other 97% of emissions. But a transition to EV will take decades and may never occur elsewhere in the world where electricity generation is limited and the cost of EV is too high. So the 3% reduction in CO2 is a complete pipe dream. The actual reduction in global CO2 we will see from EV’s is a rounding error in human emissions.

The reason cars and trucks are only 8% of emissions is that they spend most of their life sitting in driveways, and are only used a fraction of the time. Versus heating and AC for buildings, powering steel mills, etc, or busses that run all day. Focusing on electric cars is an absurd place to focus if the intent is emission reduction. But emissions reduction isn’t the intent, it is virtue signaling. Politicians buy votes by pandering to their base about green energy, without EVER projecting what the net reduction in CO2 will be, whether it is cost effective, or whether something else (such as nuclear energy) would be a more effective way to reduce emissions.

China has adopted EV for national security reasons…they have no oil and don’t want to be dependent on imports. But they are recharging their EV’s from coal, which they have a lot of. There is little emission reduction in China from EV’s at all.
Man, very interesting post.... Thanks for sharing all that. 👍🏾
 
In before a revised figure of low 20’s instead of the 27
The Canadian website still says 8.7 L/100 km (27 MPG). I doubt the final number will be very different. My guess is that the quoted figure is for the 1958 with street tires, and the other models will be 1 MPG worse.
 
Have you driven/owned a Toyota hybrid? Per my pervious posts they are every bit as exemplary and well-engineered as their SUVs. Buttery smooth, quiet, and perfect augmentation of the ICE with electric assist. An automotive work of art that - outside of any kind of green agenda/EPA mandate - I love because it saves money at the pump.

Again I love a V8s and love my Toyota V8 (particularly it's roar with headers, an intake, and exhaust), but their hybrid powertrains are objectively better for daily driving, low long-term maintenance, and reliability and have the potential to be a great SUV powertrain. Those of us on here who have owned/driven their hybrid powertrains are very excited for this new LC.

Yes, I've driven several. I never said it was junk, I just don't want that in my Land Cruiser which is supposed to be a brick **** house, not a rolling example of what the government has forced Toyota to do to eek every ounce of gas out of a gallon, batteries and motors and all. It's very unappealing. It's frankly depressing, but hey at least I lived through the golden age of cars (1990-2010ish).
 
I just don't want that in my Land Cruiser which is supposed to be a brick **** house, not a rolling example of what the government has forced Toyota to do
So you want a carb F engine?
Because injection is definitely a technology that was mass deployed because of governments (and the US first) emissions reduction policy.


Actually for a Prado that would be a carb R engine.
 
Yes, I've driven several. I never said it was junk, I just don't want that in my Land Cruiser which is supposed to be a brick **** house, not a rolling example of what the government has forced Toyota to do to eek every ounce of gas out of a gallon, batteries and motors and all. It's very unappealing. It's frankly depressing, but hey at least I lived through the golden age of cars (1990-2010ish).
Don’t buy it…get the Gx 550

Gx not good enough? Seems to be for most any person.
 
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Consider for a moment… the size of the vehicle and the Power it has.

Compare that to what other landcruisers have been.

(More Power than the 100 series,Bigger than the previous Prado’s)

This is definitely a improvement, regardless of The number of cylinders.

Perhaps we should drive it, before stating it’s inadequate abilities.
 
Yes, I've driven several. I never said it was junk, I just don't want that in my Land Cruiser which is supposed to be a brick **** house, not a rolling example of what the government has forced Toyota to do to eek every ounce of gas out of a gallon, batteries and motors and all. It's very unappealing. It's frankly depressing, but hey at least I lived through the golden age of cars (1990-2010ish).

Fair enough, I just see it in a fundamentally different light. Buttery-smooth powertrain, better reliability, equivalent power, significant fuel and lifecycle maintenance savings. All thats given up is sound and some driving excitement.
 
The new Century got the TTv6 hybrid. This speaks volumes to me that Toyota feels the best powertrain they have to offer are the new hybrids. You can't beat the power of a turbo with the instant torque of electric. While complex its a similar leap of going from carb to EFI. The advantage with the hybrids now is that Toyota has been building them for 20 years. My wifes 2012 prius has 140k on it and has had 0 issues.
 
The new Century got the TTv6 hybrid. This speaks volumes to me that Toyota feels the best powertrain they have to offer are the new hybrids. You can't beat the power of a turbo with the instant torque of electric. While complex its a similar leap of going from carb to EFI. The advantage with the hybrids now is that Toyota has been building them for 20 years. My wifes 2012 prius has 140k on it and has had 0 issues.

Now those being chauffeured to their private planes and yachts can feel good about themselves on how they are saving the planet. If only one child can be saved……..
 
The Canadian website still says 8.7 L/100 km (27 MPG). I doubt the final number will be very different. My guess is that the quoted figure is for the 1958 with street tires, and the other models will be 1 MPG worse.
I would just like to know what the Canadian price will be. The US price is supposed to be $55,000 for the base model which is the same as the 4Runner TRD Pro. In Canada the Pro is $68,000 so assuming the base LC250 is $68,000 where does the mid trim fall? Is it going to be more than a Sequoia? Why would someone want the LC250 over the Sequoia with it's massive power plant?
 
The Canadian website still says 8.7 L/100 km (27 MPG). I doubt the final number will be very different. My guess is that the quoted figure is for the 1958 with street tires, and the other models will be 1 MPG worse.
Perhaps
 
Ours is the opposite. Also about a decade.

Turbo went bad, brakes go bad quick. EVERYTHING costs more than it should. Total money pit. If it wasn't so hard to find trucks RN for a resonable price we would have offladed it by now.

You must have got lucky.


I know plenty of people who have had similar experiences and none like yours
 
That's a big deal to a lot of people. The big 350 V8 is my favorite part of my 200.
The 2UZ is one of the favorite parts of my GX, but I frankly enjoy driving our Highlander Hybrid almost as much as the GX. Totally different experience but just as well-engineered and well-executed. I am glad we have both.
 
The 2UZ is one of the favorite parts of my GX, but I frankly enjoy driving our Highlander Hybrid almost as much as the GX. Totally different experience but just as well-engineered and well-executed. I am glad we have both.

Right, I never said Toyota doesn't know how to do hybrid well (they do), I'm just not that thrilled about it being in the Land Cruiser.

I'm simply a meat and potatoes V8 guy. No replacement for displacement IMO. I get 21MPG highway with the big V8.
 
Seems members aren't capable of keeping politics OFF THIS FORUM, so yet another thread locked.
 
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